APPENDIX: LETTER FROM LORD MYNERS TO
LORD GOODLAD
1. I am writing about the Co-operative and Community
Benefit Societies and Credit Unions Bill, which will not now be
able to complete its passage through Parliament.
2. I believe that this Bill contains measures which
are essential to help industrial and provident societies and credit
unions to thrive, and to bring much-needed diversity to the provision
of financial services. The Government would strongly support the
reintroduction of this Bill, amended as necessary to meet the
concerns expressed by your Committee.
The Clauses
3. In examining the Bill, the Committee expressed
a general concern that clauses 4, 5 and 6 of the Bill confer inappropriate
general powers on the Treasury.
4. Clause 4 of the Bill enables the application of
certain provisions of company law to industrial and provident
societies. The applicable provisions cover investigations, company
names and dissolution and restoration to the register. Application
of provisions of company law on investigations is needed to improve
corporate governance of industrial and provident societies by
the Treasury giving the FSA (as registrar of industrial and provident
societies) powers to investigate industrial and provident societies
greater that it currently has and similar to the wider powers
that the Secretary of State for Business, Innovation and Skills
has to investigate companies. Application of legislation concerning
company names would allow the Treasury to introduce provisions
that deal with issues such as similarity of the name to other
names, or to names giving a misleading indication of the activities
of a society. Finally, application of provisions of company law
concerning dissolution and restoration to the register would enable
the Treasury to introduce procedures that could deal more efficiently
with cancellation of defunct societies from the register and related
issues.
5. Clause 5 enables the application of building societies
legislation to credit unions. Safeguards within the provision
are intended to prevent the application of building society law
that would modify the constitution of credit unions. For example,
amendments may not be made, using this route, to alter registration
as a credit union, amalgamations and transfers of engagements,
or the conversion of a credit union into a company. The powers
granted by clause 5 would enable the Treasury to help credit unions
law to keep pace with credit unions' expanding membership and
operations by mirroring provisions of building society law. The
Treasury considers that it would be appropriate to apply a number
of provisions of building society law to credit unions as those
provisions are tailored to deal with issues specific to deposit-taking
institutions.
6. Clause 6 of the Bill provides for consequential
amendments that may be needed in connection with changes in legislation
introduced by other clauses in the Bill.
7. It may be of assistance to the Committee if I
explain something of the background to the Bill. The Bill is a
significant part of a programme to amend and update mutuals legislation
and complements other measures being introduced by means of a
Legislative Reform Order (LRO). Finding time for a full programme
Bill to amend legislation affecting cooperatives and credit unions
has not been possible, however the measures introduced in both
the Bill and the LRO have been subject to public consultation
and in detail with a working group of representative experts from
the sectorso that the legislation reflects the needs and
wishes of the sector as far as possible.
8. The Delegated Powers Committee did not share the
same general concern. They were content that the Treasury had
made out the case for making these detailed technical amendments
by subordinate instrument, having obtained the approval of Parliament
both for the principle of what is proposed (in the Bill) and for
the resulting amendments (by affirmative resolution). They concluded
(11th Report para. 8) "we do not suggest that the delegation
is inappropriate bearing in mind the precedents". The Treasury
remains of the view that, for the reasons stated in its memorandum
to the Delegated Powers Committee, this is a proper and practical
way of proceeding.
The Committee's Concerns
9. I move to the specific concerns raised by the
Committee in relation to clauses 4(7) and 5(3) of the Bill. The
Committee considers that these provisions, as drafted, potentially
create the ability for Treasury to create new criminal offences
by order or to increase existing penalties. As I confirmed to
the House during the second reading of the Bill, it has never
been the intention of the Treasury to create new offences or increase
penalties.
10. However, the Government understands the concerns
of the Committee and has considered, in conjunction with Parliamentary
Counsel, how best to make amendments to clauses 4 and 5 that will
address these issues. The Treasury plans to include in clauses
4 and 5 provisions to the effect that regulations made under those
clauses can only create criminal offences (a) in circumstances
corresponding to an offence in the legislation being applied and
(b) subject to a maximum penalty no greater than is provided in
the corresponding offence. I attach an amended version of the
Bill containing the proposed changes at clauses 4(7) and 5(1)(inserted
section 23 A(3)(b)).
11. In relation to clause 4, the Committee raised
the point that there is no express duty on the Treasury to consult
before making regulations under the provision. In drafting the
Bill, the Treasury did not see the need to specify a duty on the
face of the Bill, given its obligations under the Better Regulation
Executive Code of Practice on Consultation. In order to
meet the Committee's concerns, the Government is nevertheless
content to amend clause 4 to include an express duty to consult,
like the one provided in clause 5. (See clause 4(8) of the attached
amended Bill.)
12. In relation to clause 6, which confers power
to make consequential amendments, the Committee take the view
that the power is open to the same criticism as the substantive
powers in clauses 4 and 5. However, in the view of the Treasury,
this power is in line with current practice.
13. Powers of this kind to tidy up the statute book
are commonplace. In the Acts passed so far this session alone
there are more than 20 examples[12].
14. Another issue is that clause 6 is relevant not
just to clauses 4 and 5, but also to clause 3 which "re-brands"
industrial and provident societies as cooperative or community
benefit societies. There are 811 existing statutory references
to industrial and provident societies (more than half in primary
legislation, the rest in secondary legislation) that will need
amendment in consequence. It would simply not be practical to
deal with all this in the Bill.
15. In summary, the Treasury considers that it would
be right to make amendments to the Bill covering the Committee's
concerns over criminal offences and a duty to consult when bringing
forward regulations under Clause 4.
16. The Treasury considers that this, combined with
the fact that any regulations made under the Bill would be made
under the affirmative resolution procedure and would be the subject
of detailed consultation, will ensure that all suitable checks
and balances are in place to avoid the danger of any potential
abuse.
4 November 2009
12 Banking Act 2009 ss.88(2), 135(2), 168(2); Borders,
Citizenship and Immigration Act 2009 s.36(2); Business Rate Supplements
Act 2009 s.28(2); Corporation Tax Act 2009 s.132(3); Finance Act
2009 ss.73(9)(a), 74(8)(a), 95(3)(b), 96(6)(b), 100(4)(b) and
(5), 104(6), 106(5), 107(5), 124(4), Sch.3 para.l0(2)(b), Sch.61
para.23(1)(b); Northern Ireland Act 2009 s.5(4)(a); Political
Parties and Elections Act 2009 ss.34(2) and (3), 43(4), Sch.2
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