Examination of Witnesses (Questions 6240
- 6259)
6240. CHAIRMAN: For five years.
6241. MR LEWIS: Correct, so our amendment
is not a wrecking amendment, and of course that is the last thing
we want.
6242. CHAIRMAN: I do not think anybody
thought it was a wrecking amendment. All we wanted to do was to
understand what it was.
6243. MR LEWIS: Indeed. My Lords, as
I did in the Commons, I would like to make some submissions about
the amendment to the Bill which has been put forward today. I
bring little that is new in terms of legal submission that was
not heard last time, and I have detected from the transcript that
you yourselves may have read some of the Commons proceedings and,
if you have read my submissions in the Commons in respect of this
Petitioner, then forgive me for repeating most of them today.
6244. CHAIRMAN: It is much better to
do so because we do not necessarily read all the Commons transcripts.
6245. MR LEWIS: Indeed. What I would
like to do is to supplement what Mr Anderson has said by demonstrating
that what Canary Wharf Group are asking for in their proposed
amendment is by no means unusual. In fact, what they are asking
the Committee to do is to recast clause 6 in terms that are the
norm for legislation that authorises public transport and other
infrastructure projects.
6246. I started in the Commons by citing the
Great Western Railway as an example of how quickly a great infrastructure
project like Crossrail could be built. The Great Western Railway
was authorised by an Act of Parliament in 1835. There was a time-limit
on the exercise of the powers of compulsory acquisition under
the Bill and it was two years, with no powers to extend. Never
mind that; it took Brunel less than three years from Royal Assent
to complete the line to Maidenhead and another three to finish
the job. The Act gave the Great Western Railway seven years to
finish the construction of the railway. The Crossrail Bill gives
deemed planning permission for the works if they are started within
ten years and, even then, there is a power to extend that time-limit,
but you will be glad to know that we are not here talking about
extensions to the planning permission and we are only involved
here on, as you know, the compulsory purchase. It would be wrong
of me to suggest that things are the same now as they were in
Victorian times, so I will move on to more modern examples to
illustrate what the normal practice is nowadays.
6247. When I undertook the exciting exercise
of looking through every railway and tram Act and TWA Order since
1980 when I was preparing for the Commons, I found 24 promoted
by British Rail or Network Rail or its predecessors, 15 by London
Transport, eight for the London Docklands Railway, 15 for the
Greater Manchester Tram, seven for the Midland Metro, three for
the Channel Tunnel Rail Link and 16 others, making a total of
84. All of them contained powers of compulsory acquisition, but
none of them allowed powers of compulsory acquisition to be exercised
later than five years after enactment, and certainly none of them
allowed the Secretary of State to make an order extending the
period allowed. They did not of course all authorise projects
of such scale as Crossrail, but they did include some substantial
projects that are comparable, such as the whole of the DLR, the
Jubilee Line Extension, Thameslink 2000, the whole of the Manchester
Tram system, and the West Coast Main Line upgrade.
6248. I deliberately did not mention hybrid
Acts and there you will find the precedents for the extendable
period, and there are only two. The first was the Channel Tunnel
Act and the second was the Channel Tunnel Rail Link Act. They
both contained the five-year period, extendable by order of the
Secretary of State and, as far as I am aware, the powers to extend
were not exercised, so one asks why they were needed. Other hybrid
Acts, such as the Cardiff Bay Barrage, the QE2 Bridge and the
Severn Bridges, did not allow an extension to the period.
6249. In response to these points last time
and again today, Ms Lieven mentioned that ten years is the normal
period allowed for railway projects authorised by Acts of the
Scottish Parliament. She is right, but, with all due respect,
I would submit that it is rather like clutching at straws to be
reciting a limited number of precedents from a different legislature
in comparison with the list to which I have alluded.
6250. I will now turn to the Department's own
published position on these matters. I have looked at the Department's
own guide to the Transport & Works Act procedures of June
2006, and I would turn your attention, my Lord, please to pages
4 and 5 of the documents which I have just handed in for reference,
and paragraphs 1.39 to 1.42 deal with land acquisition and blight
for Transport & Works Act Order applications. In paragraph
1.39, we see the passage that reads, "The exercise of compulsory
purchase powers will be time-limited (normally to five years for
transport schemes; any longer period would require exceptional
justification in view of the blight and uncertainty that this
could cause)". That is exactly the point that Canary Wharf
put forward to you this morning.
6251. This, in turn, is reinforced by the Department's
own model clauses for Transport & Works Act Orders. That is
SI 2006/1954, and I would ask you to look at page 7 of my bundle.
If you look at Article 30, this provides for the five-year time-limit
I have just mentioned, and I confirm that there is no model clause
for time extensions.[8]
These model clauses are of course intended to be advisory only
and applicants for Transport & Works Act Orders do not necessarily
have to follow them when they put their Orders in in the first
place, but the Department makes it clear in its guidance, to which
I have already referred, that any deviation would need to be justified
by the applicant, and I refer you back to pages 2 and 3 for that
reference. As I have already mentioned, I know of no case so far
where the period for compulsory acquisition for a Transport &
Works Act Order has been any longer than five years.
6252. Next, I briefly turn to national legislation.
Where a public authority wishes to exercise compulsory purchase
powers, for example, where a local authority wishes to assist
redevelopment or housing improvement or, perhaps more pertinently,
where a highway authority wishes to construct a new highway, then
they have to follow certain procedures laid down inter alia
by the Compulsory Purchase Act 1965 and the Acquisition of Land
Act 1981. Section 4 of the 1965 Act, and again you have a reference
to that, page 8, and I apologise, I took this from the Encyclopedia
of Compulsory Purchase and the headnote on that page is, for some
reason, wrong, so I crossed it out, but it says, "The powers
of the acquiring authority for the compulsory purchase of the
land shall not be exercised after the expiration of three years
from the date on which the compulsory purchase order becomes operative".[9]
Again, there is no power to extend and, note, it is three years.
We are not in dispute, by the way, about the actual period of
time that the Bill contains, the five-year period, as set against
this three-year period, I should make that clear, it is only the
extension we are in dispute about.
6253. In response to my submissions to the Commons,
and this morning we have heard a similar response today, Ms Lieven
mentioned that the procedure for extending the time-limits, as
set out in clause 6(9) of the Bill, provides adequate safeguards.
Now, it is quite right to say that the special parliamentary procedure
is rigorous. SPP orders do not come around that often and I have
acted for the Promoters of the only two contested ones in the
last decade. It is true that Parliament can throw them out, which
again is something I have learnt from bitter experience, but,
to be honest, this is a diversion from our main concern. The SPP
process itself will involve delay and of course, whilst there
is a chance that the order might not be approved by the joint
committee that would be required to consider the order if there
were any Petitioners, there is also the real possibility that
it might. Even if the Committee rejected the order on principle,
there is always the prospect that the Government could seek to
promote a confirming Bill which would have the effect of overriding
the decision of the joint committee. This happened in the case
of the Okehampton bypass in the mid-1980s. Confirming Bills generally
proceed straight to report and third reading. There is no second
reading or committee stage and no opportunity for further objection
by the individuals most affected. I have taken references there
from the House of Commons fact sheet L9 which you will find at
page 9 of my documents.[10]
6254. I have one more reference to precedent,
if I may, and it is perhaps the most important one. As you know,
this is not the first Crossrail Bill to come before this House.
I beg your pardon, it is the first Crossrail Bill to come before
this House. I am sorry, this is a throwback to my speech in the
Commons. The first Crossrail Bill did not of course make it to
this House, so it is not the first Crossrail Bill to come before
Parliament, is what I should have said. The private Bill promoted
by British Rail and London Regional Transport, which was thrown
out in the early 1990s in the House of Commons, contained a time-limit
of five years and there was no power to extend. The current scheme
is not so dissimilar from the old one so as to bring it into some
exceptional new category, we would submit, and all we are asking
you to do is to alter the Bill so that it is in line with nearly
every recent precedent. We would ask you to support these conclusions
and make the amendments requested.
6255. My Lord, before I sit down, I would just
like to respond to one of the points that Ms Lieven made in opening
which was picked up by the Committee in terms of what could go
wrong, why the Promoters might need an extension. I noted that,
in opening, Ms Lieven said that there might be one of a large
number of reasons why an extension could be needed. She mentioned
delivery agreements needing to be put in place, the procurement
process having to be gone through and the construction contracts
having to be let. My Lord, I do not see how that is any different
in relation to the Crossrail scheme from any of the other projects
which I have mentioned, particularly the large-scale ones, like
the Jubilee Line Extension. Those large-scale infrastructure projects
are just as susceptible to that sort of disturbance, yet the five-year
period is what has generally been accepted as being a fair and
reasonable one in every case, except for those two hybrid Bills
which were mentioned. My Lord, I do not think there is anything
further I wish to say in submission, unless you have any questions.
6256. CHAIRMAN: I think there are questions
that I would like to ask you, Mr Lewis. I am looking at Clause
6 subsections (7), (8) and (9) of the Bill. This is the power
to extend the period of five years once and for no more than five
years and subject to SPP. Your amendment would leave that in so
that it would relate to everybody else on the line of Crossrail
except for Canary Wharf. Is that right?
6257. MR LEWIS: That is true. That is
correct.
6258. CHAIRMAN: What is the justification
for that other than special pleading, if I may say so?
6259. MR LEWIS: I will start off with
a general observation, of course that I am here representing Canary
Wharf Group, I am not representing any other petitioner who may
have an issue with this particular provision of the Bill. If another
major landownerand this was alluded to earlierdid
have a problem with those particular provisions, then of course
they could have petitioned and appeared before your Lordships.
8 Committee Ref: A30, Time limit for exercise of powers
of acquisition, The Transport and Works (Model Clauses for Railways
and Tramways) Order 2006 (SI 2006/1954) (SCN-20080319-003) Back
9
Committee Ref: A30, Clive M. Brand, Encyclopedia of Compulsory
Purchase and Compensation (Sweet & Maxwell Ltd 1968) (SCN-20080319-004) Back
10
Committee Ref: A30, House of Commons Factsheet L9-Order Confirmation
Bills and Special Procedure Orders (SCN-20080319-004) Back
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