House of Lords Journal 235 (Session 2001-02)

Previous Page 1112 2001-02 Volume 235       Thursday 7 November 2002 The House met at eleven o’clock. The following Lords Spiritual and Temporal were present: Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Aberdare, L. Ackner, L. Acton, L. Addington, L. Ahmed, L. Alderdice, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Alli, L. Alton of Liverpool, L. Ampthill, L. Andrews, B. Anelay of St Johns, B. Arran, E. Ashcroft, L. Ashley of Stoke, L. Astor, V. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Bach, L. Baldwin of Bewdley, E. Barker, B. Barnett, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Berkeley, L. Bhatia, L. Biffen, L. Billingham, B. Birt, L. Blackburn, Bp. Blackstone, B. Blackwell, L. Blaker, L. Blatch, B. Boardman, L. Boothroyd, B. Borrie, L. Boston of Faversham, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Bradshaw, L. Bragg, L. Bramall, L. Brennan, L. Bridgeman, V. Brigstocke, B. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L. Brookeborough, V. Brookman, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Burlison, L. Burnham, L. Burns, L. Buscombe, B. Butler of Brockwell, L. Byford, B. Campbell of Alloway, L. Campbell of Croy, L. Campbell-Savours, L. Carlile of Berriew, L. Carlisle of Bucklow, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Carrington, L. Carter, L. Chalfont, L. Chalker of Wallasey, B. Chan, L. Chandos, V. Chorley, L. Christopher, L. Clark of Windermere, L. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Cobbold, L. Cockfield, L. Colwyn, L. Cooke of Thorndon, L. Cope of Berkeley, L. Corbett of Castle Vale, L. Courtown, E. Cox, B. Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Crathorne, L. Crawley, B. Crickhowell, L. Cuckney, L. Cumberlege, B. Dahrendorf, L. David, B. Davies of Coity, L. Davies of Oldham, L. Denham, L. Desai, L. Dholakia, L. Dixon, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Donoughue, L. Dormand of Easington, L. Dubs, L. Dundee, E. Eatwell, L. Eccles of Moulton, B. Elder, L. Elis-Thomas, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Emerton, B. Erroll, E. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Temple Guiting, L. Evans of Watford, L. Ezra, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Falkland, V. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Faulkner of Worcester, L. Feldman, L. Ferrers, E. Filkin, L. Finlay of Llandaff, B. Fitt, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Forsyth of Drumlean, L. Fowler, L. Fraser of Carmyllie, L. Freeman, L. Freyberg, L. Fyfe of Fairfield, L. Gale, B. Gardner of Parkes, B. Garel-Jones, L. Gavron, L. Geddes, L. Geraint, L. Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Gilbert, L. Gladwin of Clee, L. Glenarthur, L. Glentoran, L. Goldsmith, L. Goodhart, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goschen, V. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Gray of Contin, L. Greaves, L. Greengross, B. Greenway, L. Grenfell, L. Grocott, L. Hamwee, B. Hanham, B. Hannay of Chiswick, L. Hanningfield, L. Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harris of Richmond, B. Harrison, L. Haskel, L. Hayhoe, L. Hayman, B. Henley, L. Hereford, Bp. Higgins, L. Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L. Hollis of Heigham, B. Hooper, B. Hooson, L. Page 1113 2001-02 Volume 235 Back to top Howarth of Breckland, B. Howe, E. Howe of Aberavon, L. Howe of Idlicote, B. Howell of Guildford, L. Howells of St. Davids, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Chesterton, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Hylton, L. Inge, L. Islwyn, L. Jacobs, L. James of Holland Park, B. Janner of Braunstone, L. Jay of Paddington, B. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jenkins of Hillhead, L. Joffe, L. Jones, L. Jopling, L. Jordan, L. Judd, L. Kilclooney, L. King of Bridgwater, L. Kingsland, L. Kirkhill, L. Laing of Dunphail, L. Laird, L. Laming, L. Lang of Monkton, L. Lawson of Blaby, L. Layard, L. Lea of Crondall, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Lipsey, L. Listowel, E. Liverpool, E. Livsey of Talgarth, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Lucas, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. McColl of Dulwich, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. MacGregor of Pulham Market, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mackie of Benshie, L. McNally, L. Maddock, B. Mancroft, L. Mar, C. Mar and Kellie, E. Marlesford, L. Marsh, L. Masham of Ilton, B. Mason of Barnsley, L. Massey of Darwen, B. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Milner of Leeds, L. Mishcon, L. Mitchell, L. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monro of Langholm, L. Monson, L. Moore of Lower Marsh, L. Moran, L. Morgan, L. Morgan of Huyton, B. Morris of Aberavon, L. Morris of Manchester, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moynihan, L. Murray of Epping Forest, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Naseby, L. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Noakes, B. Northbrook, L. Northover, B. Norton of Louth, L. Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. O’Cathain, B. Onslow, E. Orme, L. Ouseley, L. Oxford, Bp. Oxfuird, V. Parekh, L. Park of Monmouth, B. Patel of Blackburn, L. Patten, L. Paul, L. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Peel, E. Pendry, L. Perry of Southwark, B. Perry of Walton, L. Peston, L. Peyton of Yeovil, L. Phillips of Sudbury, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Pitkeathley, B. Plummer of St. Marylebone, L. Ponsonby of Shulbrede, L. Powell of Bayswater, L. Prior, L. Prys-Davies, L. Quinton, L. Quirk, L. Radice, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rawlings, B. Rawlinson of Ewell, L. Razzall, L. Rea, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Rees, L. Rees-Mogg, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rennard, L. Renton, L. Renton of Mount Harry, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Rogan, L. Roll of Ipsden, L. Rooker, L. Roper, L. Rosslyn, E. Rotherwick, L. Russell, E. Russell-Johnston, L. Ryder of Wensum, L. Saatchi, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. St. John of Bletso, L. St. John of Fawsley, L. Sandberg, L. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Sandwich, E. Sawyer, L. Scott of Needham Market, B. Seccombe, B. Selsdon, L. Sewel, L. Sharp of Guildford, B. Sharples, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Sheldon, L. Shrewsbury, E. Shutt of Greetland, L. Simon, V. Simon of Glaisdale, L. Skidelsky, L. Slim, V. Smith of Clifton, L. Soulsby of Swaffham Prior, L. Southwark, Bp. Stallard, L. Stevens of Ludgate, L. Stewartby, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strabolgi, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. Swinfen, L. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Tanlaw, L. Taverne, L. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Taylor of Warwick, L. Tebbit, L. Temple-Morris, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Swynnerton, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Thornton, B. Tope, L. Tordoff, L. Trefgarne, L. Trumpington, B. Turnberg, L. Turner of Camden, B. Uddin, B. Waddington, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wakeham, L. Walker of Doncaster, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walmsley, B. Warnock, B. Warwick of Undercliffe, B. Watson of Richmond, L. Page 1114 2001-02 Volume 235 Back to top Waverley, V. Weatherill, L. Wedderburn of Charlton, L. Whitty, L. Wigoder, L. Wilberforce, L. Wilcox, B. Wilkins, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Williams of Elvel, L. Williams of Mostyn, L. Williamson of Horton, L. Willoughby de Broke, L. Woolmer of Leeds, L. Worcester, Bp. Wright of Richmond, L. PRAYERS were read by the Lord Bishop of Oxford. Judicial Business 1. Malory Enterprises Limited (a company incorporated under the laws of the British Virgin Islands) (Respondents) v. Cheshire Homes (UK) Limited (Appellants) and others and another (Respondent) (England)—The appeal of Cheshire Homes (UK) Limited was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 19th December next (lodged 28th October). 2. Kuwait Oil Tanker Company SAK and others (Respondents) v. UBS AG (Appellants) (England)—The appeal of UBS AG was presented and it was ordered that in accordance with Standing Order VI the statement and appendix thereto be lodged on or before 19th December next. 3. Society of Lloyd’s (Respondents) v. Jaffray and others (Petitioners)—The petition of Sir William Otho Jaffray, Mr R H Carter, Mrs H Adams and others praying for leave to appeal was presented and referred to an Appeal Committee (lodged 23rd August). Papers 4. Command Paper—The following paper was presented to the House by command of Her Majesty and ordered to lie on the Table: New Towns—Government’s Response to the Report of the Transport, Local Government and the Regions Select Committee: The New Towns: Their Problems and Future. (5685) 5. Affirmative Instrument—The following instrument was laid before the House for approval by resolution and ordered to lie on the Table: Draft European Communities (Definition of Treaties) (Agreement on Trade, Development and Co-operation Between the European Community and its Member States and the Republic of South Africa) Order 2002, together with an Explanatory Memorandum. 6. Negative Instruments—The following instruments were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Statement of Changes in Immigration Rules, laid under the Immigration Act 1971;   (—) 2. Immigration and Asylum Appeals (One–Stop Procedure) (Amendment) Regulations 2002, laid under the Immigration and Asylum Act 1999;   (2731) 3. Immigration (Transit Visa) (Amendment No. 2) Order 2002, laid under the Immigration (Carriers’ Liability) Act 1987;   (2758) 4. (i) National Health Service Act 1977 and National Health Service and Community Care Act 1990 (Amendment) Regulations 2002— (2759) (ii) Olive Oil (Marketing Standards) (Amendment) Regulations 2002— (2761)   laid under the European Communities Act 1972. 7. Papers not subject to parliamentary proceedings—The following papers were laid before the House and ordered to lie on the Table: 1. Draft Code of Practice for the Exercise by Police Officers of Statutory Powers of Stop and Search, laid under the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984; 2. Eleventh Report of the Public Accounts Commission, laid under the National Audit Act 1983. Page 1115 2001-02 Volume 235 Back to top Public Business 8. Animal Health Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons on Wednesday 6th November with an amendment disagreed to with a reason for such disagreement, with a further amendment disagreed to but with an amendment in lieu thereof, with other amendments agreed to with amendments, and with the remaining amendments agreed to; the Commons amendments and reason were printed pursuant to Standing Order 50 (HL Bill 124); the Commons amendments and reason were considered forthwith; a motion to disagree with a Commons amendment in lieu was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn, and the Lords amendment was not insisted on and the Commons amendment in lieu was agreed to; a Lords amendment was not insisted on; a Commons amendment to a Lords amendment was disagreed to (see division list); further Commons amendments were disagreed to; a Committee was appointed to propose a reason for such disagreement. The Lords following were named of the Committee: Greaves, L. Livsey of Talgarth, L. Whitty, L. The Committee reported that they had proposed the following reason: “Because it is appropriate to require that information should be provided about the reasons for the decision to apply for a warrant for entry to premises, and that there should be an opportunity to make representations to a Justice of the Peace before the warrant is issued. ”. The Report was agreed to; a motion to disagree with a Commons amendment and to propose an amendment in lieu was moved and (by leave of the House) withdrawn; and the remaining Commons amendments were agreed to ; then the bill was returned to the Commons with the reason. 9. Maternity and Parental Leave (Amendment) Regulations 2002—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 24th October be approved; after debate, the motion was agreed to. 10. Paternity and Adoption Leave Regulations 2002—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 24th October be approved; the motion was agreed to. 11. Statutory Paternity Pay and Statutory Adoption Pay (Weekly Rates) Regulations 2002—It was moved by the Lord McIntosh of Haringey that the draft Regulations laid before the House on 24th October be approved; the motion was agreed to. 12. Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons with the amendment disagreed to but with amendments proposed to words inserted into the bill by a further Lords amendment. The House was adjourned during pleasure. The House was resumed. 13. Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Bill—The Commons amendments were considered and agreed to. The House was adjourned during pleasure. The House was resumed. 14. Animal Health Bill—The bill was returned from the Commons with certain Commons amendments to Lords amendments insisted on but with amendments in lieu of the words left out of the Lords amendments. The House was adjourned during pleasure. The House was resumed. 15. Animal Health Bill—The Lords disagreement to certain Commons amendments to Lords amendments was not insisted on and the Commons amendments to the bill in lieu of the words left out of the Lords amendments were agreed to. The House was adjourned during pleasure. The House was resumed. 16. Royal Commission—The Lords Commissioners being seated, the Lord Chancellor in the middle with the Lord Privy Seal (Lord Williams of Mostyn) and the Baroness Williams of Crosby on his right-hand and the Lord Strathclyde and the Lord Molyneaux of Killead on his left and the Commons being present at the Bar with their Speaker, the Commission for Royal Assent and Prorogation dated this day was read. Page 1116 2001-02 Volume 235 Back to top 17. Royal Assent— The following Acts, passed by both Houses of Parliament, received Royal Assent: Copyright (Visually Impaired Persons) Act Employee Share Schemes Act Public Trustee (Liability and Fees) Act Tobacco Advertising and Promotion Act Private Hire Vehicles (Carriage of Guide Dogs etc.) Act Adoption and Children Act Commonwealth Act Enterprise Act Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act Animal Health Act HSBC Investment Banking Act Barclays Group Reorganisation Act Milford Haven Port Authority Act City of London (Ward Elections) Act 18. The Queen’s Speech—The Queen’s Speech was delivered by the Lord Chancellor. 19. Prorogation—Parliament was prorogued to Wednesday, 13th November instant. DIVISION ANIMAL HEALTH BILL It was moved by the Lord Greaves, as an amendment to the motion that the House do agree with the Commons in their amendment 14A to Lords amendment 14, to leave out “agree” and insert “disagree”; which being objected to, the question was put thereupon, and the House divided: Contents.............144 Not-Contents.............108 CONTENTS Addington, L. Allenby of Megiddo, V. Ampthill, L. Anelay of St Johns, B. Arran, E. Astor, V. Astor of Hever, L. Attlee, E. Avebury, L. Barker, B. Beaumont of Whitley, L. Biffen, L. Blaker, L. Blatch, B. Boardman, L. Bowness, L. Brabazon of Tara, L. Bradshaw, L. Bridgeman, V. Brooke of Sutton Mandeville, L. Brougham and Vaux, L. Burnham, L. Buscombe, B. Byford, B. Campbell of Alloway, L. Carlisle of Bucklow, L. Carnegy of Lour, B. Cope of Berkeley, L. [Teller] Craig of Radley, L. Craigavon, V. Crathorne, L. Crickhowell, L. Cuckney, L. Denham, L. Dixon-Smith, L. Dundee, E. Elis-Thomas, L. Elles, B. Elliott of Morpeth, L. Elton, L. Flather, B. Fookes, B. Fowler, L. Garel-Jones, L. Geddes, L. Glenarthur, L. Glentoran, L. Goschen, V. Greaves, L. Greenway, L. Hamwee, B. Harris of Richmond, B. Henley, L. Hodgson of Astley Abbotts, L. Howe, E. Howe of Aberavon, L. Howe of Idlicote, B. Howell of Guildford, L. Hunt of Wirral, L. Jacobs, L. Jellicoe, E. Jenkin of Roding, L. Jopling, L. Kingsland, L. Laing of Dunphail, L. Linklater of Butterstone, B. Liverpool, E. Livsey of Talgarth, L. Luke, L. Lyell, L. MacGregor of Pulham Market, L. Maddock, B. Mar, C. Mar and Kellie, E. Marlesford, L. Mayhew of Twysden, L. Miller of Hendon, B. Molyneaux of Killead, L. Monro of Langholm, L. Monson, L. Moran, L. Mowbray and Stourton, L. Moynihan, L. Murton of Lindisfarne, L. Newby, L. Newton of Braintree, L. Noakes, B. Northbrook, L. Northover, B. Norton of Louth, L. O’Cathain, B. Oakeshott of Seagrove Bay, L. Oxfuird, V. Park of Monmouth, B. Pearson of Rannoch, L. Peel, E. Perry of Walton, L. Pilkington of Oxenford, L. Quinton, L. Razzall, L. Reay, L. Redesdale, L. Page 1117 2001-02 Volume 235 Back to top Rennard, L. Renton, L. Renton of Mount Harry, L. Roberts of Conwy, L. Rodgers of Quarry Bank, L. Roper, L. Russell, E. Russell-Johnston, L. Ryder of Wensum, L. Saatchi, L. St. John of Bletso, L. Sandberg, L. Sanderson of Bowden, L. Scott of Needham Market, B. Seccombe, B. Selsdon, L. Sharp of Guildford, B. Sharples, B. Shaw of Northstead, L. Shrewsbury, E. Shutt of Greetland, L. [Teller] Smith of Clifton, L. Stevens of Ludgate, L. Stewartby, L. Stoddart of Swindon, L. Strange, B. Strathclyde, L. Swinfen, L. Taverne, L. Tebbit, L. Thomas of Gwydir, L. Thomas of Walliswood, B. Thomson of Monifieth, L. Tope, L. Trefgarne, L. Wade of Chorlton, L. Wallace of Saltaire, L. Walmsley, B. Watson of Richmond, L. Wilcox, B. Williams of Crosby, B. Willoughby de Broke, L. NOT-CONTENTS Acton, L. Ahmed, L. Andrews, B. Ashton of Upholland, B. Bach, L. Bassam of Brighton, L. Berkeley, L. Billingham, B. Blackstone, B. Borrie, L. Bragg, L. Brennan, L. Brooke of Alverthorpe, L. Brookman, L. Brooks of Tremorfa, L. Bruce of Donington, L. Burlison, L. Campbell-Savours, L. Carter, L. Chandos, V. Chorley, L. Christopher, L. Clark of Windermere, L. Clarke of Hampstead, L. Clinton-Davis, L. Corbett of Castle Vale, L. Crawley, B. David, B. Davies of Oldham, L. Desai, L. Dixon, L. Donoughue, L. Dubs, L. Elder, L. Evans of Parkside, L. Evans of Temple Guiting, L. Evans of Watford, L. Falconer of Thoroton, L. Farrington of Ribbleton, B. Faulkner of Worcester, L. Filkin, L. Fitt, L. Gale, B. Gibson of Market Rasen, B. Gladwin of Clee, L. Goldsmith, L. Gordon of Strathblane, L. Goudie, B. Gould of Potternewton, B. Graham of Edmonton, L. Greengross, B. Grenfell, L. Grocott, L. [Teller] Hardy of Wath, L. Harris of Haringey, L. Harrison, L. Haskel, L. Hayman, B. Hollis of Heigham, B. Howells of St. Davids, B. Howie of Troon, L. Hoyle, L. Hughes of Woodside, L. Hunt of Kings Heath, L. Irvine of Lairg, L. (Lord Chancellor) Jay of Paddington, B. Jones, L. Jordan, L. Judd, L. Layard, L. Lea of Crondall, L. Lipsey, L. Lockwood, B. Lofthouse of Pontefract, L. Macdonald of Tradeston, L. McIntosh of Haringey, L. [Teller] MacKenzie of Culkein, L. Mackenzie of Framwellgate, L. Mason of Barnsley, L. Merlyn-Rees, L. Milner of Leeds, L. Mitchell, L. Morgan, L. Morgan of Huyton, B. Morris of Aberavon, L. Parekh, L. Pendry, L. Radice, L. Ramsay of Cartvale, B. Randall of St. Budeaux, L. Rea, L. Rendell of Babergh, B. Rooker, L. Sainsbury of Turville, L. Sawyer, L. Sewel, L. Sheldon, L. Simon, V. Symons of Vernham Dean, B. Taylor of Blackburn, L. Temple-Morris, L. Thornton, B. Turner of Camden, B. Walker of Doncaster, L. Whitty, L. Wilkins, B. Williams of Mostyn, L. (Lord Privy Seal) Woolmer of Leeds, L.