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Joint Committee on Human Rights Twenty-Fourth Report


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Appendix 1: Government Response dated 5 June 2008 to the Committee's Twentieth Report of Session 2007-08

Counter-Terrorism Bill

This letter responds to the recommendations made in the report by the Joint Committee on Human Rights on the Counter Terrorism Bill which was published on 14 May 2008.

Recommendation 1

As always, in this Report we ground our analysis in the human rights standards with which the Government's counter-terrorism measures must be compatible, and we proceed from a full recognition that the Government has a duty to protect people from terrorism, a duty imposed by human rights law itself. We also remind Parliament of one of the central and enduring insights of the Newton Committee of Privy Councillors which reported on the operation of the Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act 2001: that counter-terrorism measures ought not to be extraordinary measures in a special category of their own, but, as far as possible, part of the ordinary criminal law of the land.

We only legislate to create terrorism-specific offences and powers where this is necessary because of the particular nature of the terrorist threat and where there are not existing provisions in the criminal law. Our counter-terrorism legislation therefore contains some specific terrorism offences and powers. However, nearly half of alleged terrorists who are prosecuted in this country are prosecuted for ordinary offences under the criminal law. Prosecutions for terrorism offences and for general offences where these are related to terrorism are heard in open court using the normal rules of procedure.

Recommendation 2

The Government has failed to consider these alternatives to extending pre-charge detention as a coherent package. Taking these measures in combination, we do not think it can be said that there is really any gap in public protection which warrants taking the extraordinary step proposed by the Government to increase pre-charge detention up to a maximum of 42 days.

We acknowledge that a number of measures have either been enacted or proposed, which can reduce the pressure on investigation teams. We accept that they either have improved, or may improve, our ability to deal with terrorism cases through the ordinary criminal process, including by introducing more flexibility in charging, and therefore reduce the risk that investigation teams will come up against the limit of pre-charge detention. The Government has considered these measures, enacted and proposed, as a coherent package but believes that they cannot do more than reduce that risk - they cannot eIiminate it entirely. They therefore do not remove the need for extended pre-charge detention to investigate and question suspects in exceptional circumstances.

For example it has been suggested that a version of the post-charge questioning regime might negate the need for extended pre-charge detention. Time is needed pre-charge to uncover and analyse evidence against a suspect as well as to put that evidence to the person in interview. Terrorist suspects very often give 'no comment' interviews in any event so post charge questioning does not address the same need as pre-charge detention.

We do, however, believe that post charge questioning for the offence for which the suspect has been charged would help the police and CPS to strengthen the case against terrorist suspects thereby helping to secure more successful prosecutions and an important element of this will be to allow adverse inferences to be drawn where the suspect refuses to answer questions. The police are already able to question a suspect post charge about other offences as, if the police have a reasonable suspicion (perhaps based on further evidence coming to light) that the suspect has committed another terrorist offence; they can question them under caution.

We therefore agree with the Home Affairs Select Committee that while post charge questioning will reduce the pressure on investigation teams, it will not eliminate the need for extended pre-charge detention because it will not reduce the evidential threshold that is needed to charge a person in the first place.

Intercept as evidence would not eliminate the need for extended pre charge detention for terrorist suspects. Not all cases involve the use of intercept. There will be times when intercept plays no part in the case against a particular suspect. Even in cases where intercept does provide compelling intelligence - we would have to look at the material and decide whether it could be used evidentially. That decision would of course depend on the scheme chosen - but there would be a number of considerations for example whether using the material evidentially might compromise other operations or would disclose sensitive techniques or technologies. This may mean that the intercept in any particular case cannot be used because of the sensitivities associated with it. Equally, in cases where it could be used, it may take some time properly to evaluate the sensitivities attached to it such that charges still cannot be brought more quickly than would otherwise be the case.

In any event, if intercept is allowed and as a result we find that it enables some suspects in a small number of cases to be charged more quickly then we would simply not need to invoke the higher pre-charge detention limit. That is the key thing about our proposal on pre-charge detention - we are not going for a higher limit now but only if there is a clear and exceptional need for it. If we find, in future, that we don't need the higher limit then it simply won't be brought into force.

Using the threshold test and extending pre-charge detention are not mutually exclusive. The threshold test is already fully used in terrorist cases. As the DPP made clear when he gave evidence to the Home Affairs Committee on 21 Nov last year, the threshold test was used in 2 cases where suspects were charged at the 27/28 day point.

But the threshold test cannot be used in every case. It does not mean you can just charge a suspect on the grounds of reasonable suspicion: It requires that there must be a clear likelihood that sufficient admissible evidence will become available within a reasonable time to meet the full code test. There may be a very small number of cases where this does not apply even at the 28 point - for example where material coming from overseas or from analysis of computers is still being investigated but this has not yet been examined to the extent that the prosecutors can be confident this will yield sufficient evidential material to meet the full code test.

If we find that the threshold test - together with other measures such as intercept as evidence and post charge questioning - means that more than 28 days are not needed in future then we will not make the higher limit available but that is not a risk we can take now.

It has also been suggested that a system for 'plea bargaining' would remove the need for extended pre-charge detention. Part 2, Chapter 2, of the Serious Organised Crime and Police Act 2005 places the common law practice of 'Queen's evidence' on a statutory footing in England, Wales and Northern Ireland. It clarifies and strengthens the common law provisions that provided for immunity from prosecution, undertakings on the use of evidence and sentence reductions for defendants who co-operate in the investigation and prosecution of other offenders. This option can be used in terrorist cases, but there is no evidence to date that It will result in a substantial increase in prosecutions in these difficult cases.

Finally, the new offence of acts preparatory to terrorism, in s.5 Terrorism Act 2006, broadens the charges available to the CPS and has proved effective in a number of cases. But it will not be applicable in all cases and, where it is applicable, it will not always reduce the length of time required.

The fact that some of those charged at the current limit were charged with acts preparatory- on the threshold test - suggests that there may be cases where it simply takes a few days longer than 28 to secure sufficient evidence to charge persons even with this 'preparatory' offence, and even on the threshold test.

Recommendation 3

We are extremely disappointed by the Government's failure to provide a substantive response to a substantial report on the issue which has proved the most controversial in the context of the current Bill. We look forward to the Government at the very least responding to the recommendations we have identified below.

a.  That reasoned explanations, rather than mere "statements' be given by Ministers to Parliament concerning extensions of pre-charge detention.

b.  That the Home Secretary explain to Parliament why the Government has decided not to propose any additional judicial safeguards surrounding pre-charge detention, when this was one of the questions on which it consulted

We have consulted widely on the issue of pre-charge detention - an approach that has been widely welcomed. Prior to introduction of the Counter-Terrorism Bill we conducted an extensive five month public consultation which involved consulting over 100 organisations as well as holding regional seminars across the UK. In addition we have met with representatives from the police, judiciary, civil liberties organisation and community representatives. There have been numerous evidence sessions before Parliamentary committees, including the JCHR and in each case, going back to April 2007, reasoned explanations have been given, not mere 'statements'. The consultation did not give rise to any specific proposals for strengthening the role of the judiciary in relation to pre-charge detention. Judges are already responsible for authorisation of continued detention and the general view was that this aspect of the pre-charge detention process worked well and that judges rigorously scrutinise any applications for extending the detention of individual suspects.

As a result of the consultation, we have made one change in relation to pre-charge detention. For extension hearings beyond 14 days, the definition of a senior judge for England and Wales and Northern Ireland has been amended so that it is now a circuit judge designated by the Lord Chief Justice or a county court judge designated by the Lord Chief Justice of Northern Ireland or a high court judge. This change reflects the fact that it should be for the senior judiciary to designate the most appropriate judges to hear applications for extensions of detention. We have therefore also removed the requirement for the Lord Chancellor to be consulted on the designation of judges for this purpose. The most appropriate judge to hear the application may well be a circuit judge with experience in criminal law (rather than High Court judges who tend to specialise in civil matters).

c.  That the Government bring forward the evidence relied on to demonstrate that the level of threat from terrorism has increased in the last year.

The level of threat has been at severe or critical since 7 July 2005 — the only difference between the two being that severe indicates the highest level of heightened and sustained general threat with an attack very likely, and critical indicates a higher level of threat with an attack imminent. The threat level has been at critical in the immediate aftermath of 7/7, 21/7, operation Overt, London/Glasgow and severe at all other interim times. A sustained level of threat at severe indicates the highest possible ongoing threat level.

Experience of prosecuting cases since 2001 has clearly demonstrated that they are growing in scale and complexity - in terms of material seized, use of false identities, multiple languages and dialects and international links. Recent operations have shown that the amount of material involved in cases is increasing and that plots are making greater use of complex technology.

The type of plots that are now being dealt with are very different from Northern Ireland terrorism in terms of scale, number of international connections involved, material seized and use of sophisticated technology.

In one recent terrorist prosecution, the investigation involved 270 computers, 2000 discs and 8224 exhibits spread across eight different countries.

There is a clear trend shown over a number of years which continues to grow upwards. For example, the material handled by the Metropolitan Police CT branch trebled between 2004 and 2007- they dealt with 69,000 records in 2004 compared with nearly 200,000 records in 2007.

In 2007 thirty-seven people were convicted in fifteen different terrorist cases and in the first four months of this year twenty-eight people have been convicted in just eight cases. The rising trend of complexity in terrorist related cases is not therefore something that can be ignored.

We have consulted with the Opposition, with community groups and with organisations such as Liberty and have made further changes to our original proposal. We have listened and we have moved a long way from our original position. We do not want a permanent, automatic or immediate extension to pre-charge detention beyond the current maximum limit of 28 days. Instead, we are now proposing a reserve power that could only be activated if there is a grave exceptional terrorist threat (as defined in the legislation) and if a report (as defined in the legislation) has been received from the police and DPP. The reserve power would need to be approved by Parliament and would remain in force for a temporary period before automatically lapsing.

d.  That the Government consider the inter-relationship between the various alternatives to pre-charge detention and bring forward a package of alternative measures in place of the 42 days proposal

See response to recommendation 2. The Government has considered such an inter-relationship, but does not accept that the measures are an alternative to pre-charge detention at all, but they may mitigate the use of pre-charge detention in some cases.

e.  That the Government urgently consider introducing bail with conditions for Terrorism Act offences

We have consulted with the police and they did not recommend making police bail available for terrorist suspects because of the risks to public safety that might be involved.

We must remember that we are dealing with individuals who wish to commit, or to enable others to commit, serious acts of violence against large numbers of innocent members of the population. The arrest and detention powers under the Terrorism Act 2000 are exceptional and reflect the unique threat which is posed by terrorism. To say that people can be held under those powers and can also safely be released pending further inquiries is inconsistent.

Those detained under section 41 of the Terrorism Act 2000 are precisely the people who would be able, if released, to secure false passports or who might even have the motivation to carry out a terrorist attack. The possibility of such an attack being perpetrated by a person on bail for a terrorism offence is a risk that we are unwilling to take.

Furthermore, we do not believe that denying bail is against our obligations under the ECHR, notably article 5(3). Detention can be justified if there are "relevant and sufficient" reasons. The reasons applicable under the regime in the 2000 Act satisfy that test: namely (in brief) that there is reasonable suspicion that the person has committed a terrorist offence, that his detention is necessary to gather further evidence and the investigation is being carried out diligently and expeditiously.

f.  That a number of detailed amendments be made to the statutory regime governing hearings at which pre-charge detention is extended, to make them proper "judicial" hearings

We note the absence of an extended definition of the term 'proper "judicial" hearings' and the use of quotation marks which begs the question what is precisely meant by this phrase.

At the Public Bill Hearing on 22 April, Sue Hemming said:

'…The notice that is served on the suspect before the hearing takes place is not particularly detailed, but suspects' solicitors are given, as a matter of practice rather than law, a summary of the evidence so far and an overview of the investigation so far. The actual application is generally very detailed and the ex parte part of any application will depend on each individual case. Our experience is that, as time goes on, the ex parte applications become less and shorter. Clearly, at the very beginning of an investigation you are in a very different situation than at 14 or 21 days. In only one of the applications that have been made by prosecutors against 17 individuals was there any form of ex parte application and that was a tiny part of it'. Official Report, Counter-Terrorism Public Bill Committee, 22 April2008; c 56, Q145.

We believe that proceedings for extensions to detention are already fully adversarial, with the suspect entitled to legal representation and to be present at the open part of the hearing. The information provided to the suspect both in writing in advance, and during the proceedings through representations and evidence is extensive and the suspect's lawyer is able to cross-examine the investigating officer to challenge the application rigorously. A senior judge hears the application (for applications beyond 14 days) and ensures that the tests for further detention are satisfied before any extension is granted.

A suspect is entitled to be present at the hearing and is excluded only on limited and proportionate grounds from any closed part of the hearing. Video links are often used for the suspect's appearance as both the security risks and resources implications justify such an approach; in any event video link is routinely used in other judicial hearings. The judge may order the suspect to be present in person if there is reason (see para 33(9) of Schedule 8)

We therefore dispute the assertion that such hearings are not already 'proper "judiciaI" hearings'.

g.  That the test applied by the court when deciding whether to extend pre-charge detention be amended to require the court to be satisfied that there is a sufficient basis for arresting and continuing to question the suspect

In relation to the first limb of this proposed two limb test, it is implicit in any successful application for a warrant of further pre-charge detention that the court would need to be satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for suspecting the person has committed a terrorist offence. The test for a lawful arrest under section 41 of the Terrorism Act 2000 is that the constable reasonably suspects that the individual is a terrorist (as defined in section 40 of that Act). This reasonable suspicion is an implicit pro requisite for the test which is currently required to extend pre charge detention. If a court is to be satisfied that there are reasonable grounds for believing further detention is necessary for the purposes of obtaining etc. relevant evidence, there must inevitably be a reasonable suspicion that the person committed the offence. The minimum standard that the prosecution/police must demonstrate is that there are reasonable grounds upon which to suspect that person. Conversely, without reasonable grounds to suspect that person, the prosecution/police could not even commence an application for further detention on grounds of securing relevant evidence.

In relation to the second limb, namely that further detention should (only) be for 'continuing to question the suspect'; we contend that this is too narrow to deal with a major terrorist investigation. Were that to be the test, it raises questions such as 'when would such questioning have to commence in order to satisfy the requirements?' It should be noted that often in the early stages of a detention under section 41 of the Terrorism Act 2000, interviews are delayed while the evidence seized during arrests and searches are analysed; such an investigative approach would potentially fall foul of the suggested test as drafted.

Furthermore, it is well documented that evidence, or material capable of forming the basis of a charge, has to be obtained from (inter alia) such sources as computers and other forms of electronic media, forensic analysis, and foreign jurisdictions. Some of this may need extensive translation, often from languages where the number of interpreters is limited. It may also require comparison with or linking to other existing material, before it could either be used for questioning or as the basis of a charge.

There may also be compelling but sensitive information that needs to be converted into a form that is capable be used for questioning or presented as part of the evidence upon which the decision to charge may be made. The process of converting sensitive information into usable material can be complex and may take a period of time.

All these grounds are appropriate bases upon which warrants of further detention may currently be sought but appear to fall outside the test as suggested above. We therefore strongly contend that the ability to detain suspects in order obtain evidence by ways other than questioning is essential, as is the ability to detain suspects to preserve or analyse evidence.

h.  That legal aid be made available for representation by counsel at hearings to extend pre-charge detention

Warrants of further detention are already in scope of Criminal Defence Service funding and the Legal Services Commission will make provision for appropriate legal representation, including representation by Counsel, if required.

Recommendation 4

The fundamental flaw In the Government's proposal therefore remains: it confuses parliamentary and judicial functions by attempting to give to Parliament what is unavoidably a judicial function, namely the decision about whether it is justifiable to detain individual suspects for longer.

There is no confusion between the role of Parliament and the role of the judiciary. This represents a complete misreading of the provisions. The role of Parliament is clearly to discuss and, if so minded, approve the order commencing the temporary extension of the power to detain pre-charge to up to 42 days. The Home Secretary will lay a statement before Parliament within 2 days of making the order or as soon as practicable and setting out that she is satisfied that there is a grave exceptional terrorist threat, that the reserve power is urgently needed for the purpose of investigating that threat and bringing those responsible to justice and that the provision is compatible with Convention rights. The Home Secretary will at the same time lay before Parliament an independent legal advice as to these matters (redacted as necessary to protect sensitive information and anything prejudicial to a prosecution). Then there will be a full debate within 7 days. The debates would not be dissimilar to previous debates after such incidents in the past - covering matters such as the general security threat, the progress of investigation, the police numbers involved, the number of suspects detained, the outline of the plot, the number of countries involved, if there are any, the number of exigencies, whether the Home Secretary's decision was properly founded, if she had indeed received the police and DPP report in the first place, other information received and other broad discussions. The Bill expressly prohibits any mention of individual cases in the Home Secretary's statement. It is for both Houses to determine whether, given the grave, exceptional circumstances, it is justifiable for the order commencing the 42 day provision to remain in force for the limited duration of 30 days.

The courts in contrast assess on a case by case basis whether the police and CPS need more time to collect and examine evidence in order that a charge may be brought against an individual. It is also for the court to be satisfied that the investigation is proceeding diligently and expeditiously in these individual cases.

Nowhere in the provisions of the Bill are these two distinct constitutional functions confused or conflated at all.

Recommendation 5

We would not expect to have received the legal advice provided by the Law Officers to the Home Office, which we accept would be legally privileged. However, we are disappointed that the Law Officers were not even able to confirm that, in their view, the Bill is compatible with the UK's human rights obligations and does not risk giving rise to breaches of human rights in individual cases. We see no reason why Parliament should not have received at the very least a summary of the reasons why the Law Officers regard the Government's 42 days proposal as being compatible with the UK's human rights obligations. In our view, on a matter as significant and sensitive as the proposal to increase the maximum period of pre-charge detention, it is important that Parliament is fully informed about the views of the Law Officers, especially in light of what has subsequently been learned about Lord Goldsmith's view at the time of the 90 day proposal.

The Government recognises that Parliament and the public are entitled to an explanation of the legal basis for key actions and decisions, however it is standard Government practice neither to confirm or deny.

The Secretary of State considers that the provisions allowing for a temporary extension to pre-charge detention in defined circumstances, both under the Bill and our proposed amendments, are compatible with Article 5 of the ECHR (right to liberty).

Article 5(1 )(c) permits detention for the purpose of bringing an individual before the competent legal authority on reasonable suspicion of having committed an offence. The provisions fall within this limb of Article 5(1) as they provide for the continued detention of persons reasonably suspected of having committed terrorist offences for the purpose of enabling the charging of that person.

There is no specific ECtHR jurisprudence on the length of time that a person can be detained before he is charged but there is the overarching principle that detention under Article 5 must not be arbitrary. Extended pre-charge detention under these provisions is not arbitrary. This is because of the motivation and effect of the detention - the prevention of suspected terrorists from absconding or having further involvement in terrorism while the expeditious investigation into a terrorist offence proceeds -- and because the detention is in keeping with the reasons for detention in Article 5(1) and Article 5 more generally.

The detention is proportionate to the attainment of its purpose. The need to detain terrorist suspects for longer than others before charge is necessary for a number of reasons, including the following. First, with recent terrorist attacks designed to cause mass casualties, the need to ensure public safety by preventing such attacks means that it is necessary to make arrests at an earlier stage than in the past. This often means that less evidence has been gathered at the point of arrest, which means that more time is needed to gather sufficient evidence to charge a suspect. Secondly, longer time limits are needed to cope with the fact that terrorist networks are often international, requiring enquiries to be made in many different jurisdictions and often requiring finding interpreters for rare and remote dialects. Thirdly, terrorist networks are increasingly using sophisticated technology and communications techniques: in recent cases a large number (sometimes in the hundreds) of computers and hard drives have been seized with much of the data on those computers having been encrypted.

In the light of this, the Secretary of State considers that detention for up to 42 days is not arbitrary for the following reasons:

In accordance with section 19 of the Human Rights Act 1998, it is for the Minister in charge of a Bill to certify whether in his view its provisions are compatible with the Convention rights. In this case the Home Secretary has stated that, in her view, the provisions of the Bill are compatible.

Recommendation 6

We remain of the view that the Threshold Test would benefit from proper parliamentary scrutiny and debate, which to date it has never received.

The Code for Crown Prosecutors, which contains the Threshold Test, is annexed to each CPS annual report so it is laid before Parliament for scrutiny each year so the CPS has imposed a duty upon itself which goes over and above the requirements of section 10(3) of the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985. The Code is also subjected to extensive public consultation when it is revised. This last occurred in 2004. Parliament has already considered the point and given the Director powers to issue guidance under the Prosecution of Offences Act 1985 and (as amended) the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984.

Recommendation 7

Given the importance of where the threshold for prosecution is set, and in particular the implications for an individual's liberty, in our view the Government's approach fails properly to reflect the strong constitutional presumption that interferences with an individual's liberty require express statutory authorisation, or leaves too much discretion to the DPP. We are not therefore persuaded by the Government's argument that it would be constitutionally improper to place the Threshold Test on a statutory footing or to introduce some independent safeguards.

Parliament gave the DDP the power to issue guidance on the general principles to be applied when determining whether a case should proceed or not (section 10 Prosecution of Offences Act 1985). As recently as the Criminal Justice Act 2003, Parliament gave the DPP the power to issue guidance on charging.

It would not be possible for the Threshold Test to be placed on the statute book without the Full Code Test being similarly so placed. To do so would be inconsistent and, done in the CT bill, may give the impression that terrorist cases are being routinely charged on a lower standard than other serious criminal matters.

Special legislative provision would have the potential to undermine public confidence in the communities likely to be most affected if the perception were to arise that lower charging standards were being applied only to terrorism cases.

An important safeguard is the fact that prosecutors, who are independent from investigators, review cases using the Threshold Test. The Threshold Test is an objective test. It emphasises the fact that it is only a temporary measure to be used by prosecutors in the most serious cases, when a suspect is not suitable for bail and the prosecutor decides that there is evidence to support at least a reasonable suspicion that the suspect has committed an offence, and that it is in the public interest to charge that suspect. In making that decision, the prosecutor must reasonably expect that further relevant evidence exists and will be available within a reasonable period of time so that the Full Code Test will be applied as soon as reasonably practicable. A decision to charge under the Threshold Test and withhold bail must be kept under regular review by the prosecutor, and in any event, is overseen by the court.

In addition, the Human Rights Act 1998 is an important independent safeguard.

The Committee acknowledges that there has been no abuse and the mere fact that their draft clause mirrors the draft CPS guidance on the Threshold Test is ample testament to the fact that the CPS acts with the utmost scrupulousness in respect of the rights of the suspect.

The clause states that the person shall be informed that they have been charged on 'reasonable suspicion'. This is only part of the Threshold Test, as the Committee acknowledges in its draft clause.

The defence can already inquire if a charging decision was made using the Threshold Test or 'Full Code Test'.

Although the court, in determining questions of bail or custody, may take into account the strength of the Crown's evidence against the defendant, the court should accept the prosecution case as opened by the prosecutor. The defence can comment on the strength of the Crown's evidence but a bail application is not the hearing for an exploration and testing of the Crown's case. To make it mandatory to inform the court that a charging decision was made under the 'Threshold Test' may effectively invite such inappropriate challenges, and even lead to the release of people on bail who really are a bail risk and should be remanded in custody.

There appears to be no apparent purpose to imposing a duty on the prosecutor to inform the court.

The judicial process already provides independent scrutiny of the prosecution and safeguards the suspect's rights. For example:

At an early stage in proceedings, the prosecution will be revealing the nature of its case to the defence and court via pre-interview disclosure, 'Advance' or 'Preliminary' Information at first appearance, bundles of statements, exhibits, unused material schedules and unused material that falls to be disclosed under the Criminal Procedure and Investigations Act 1996.

The defence can apply for the case to be dismissed at case service/committal.

At any stage in proceedings, the defence can raise issues with the prosecutor, and if they are dissatisfied with the prosecution response, seek the raise it with the court.

Throughout the pre-trial stage, the court will scrutinise the conduct of the prosecutor during the criminal process, and can set timetables for the service of material.

HMCPSI already thematically inspecting charging across criminal case work and this will include the 'Threshold Test'. In respect of terrorism cases, there is the practical difficulty caused by the highly sensitive nature of the material held which means that the ability of a non-security cleared person to consider these cases is severely restricted.

Recommendation 8

In our view, the availability of bail with conditions would enable the police to continue their investigation of those suspected of terrorism offences who do not pose a risk to public safety or a flight risk, while at the same time maintaining some control over them through bail conditions. We therefore recommend that the Bill be amended to make court-ordered pre-charge bail with conditions available in relation to terrorism offences.

See response to recommendation 3(e) above.

Recommendation 9

A prison governor fails a long way short of a judge as an independent safeguard against abuse and we note that the Government has provided no evidence to substantiate its assertion that prison governors thoroughly scrutinise any police requests for production of a suspect for questioning. "After the event" judicial powers to exclude evidence obtained by oppressive means are also inferior to legal safeguards designed to prevent such oppressive questioning happening in the first place. We therefore remain of the view that the requirement of judicial authorisation and strict time limits must be set out on the face of the legislation.

The experience of senior police officers is that prison governors do thoroughly scrutinise their applications for production of a suspect for police questioning.

The Government has considered whether judicial oversight of post-charge questioning, in the manner proposed by the JCHR would be appropriate. However, we have decided against this model because of it could potentially slow down the process to much. This is supported by the evidence given to the Public Bill Committee by the Director of Public Prosecutions at which he said:

'I do not believe that judicial oversight is necessary, although that is a matter for Parliament. A difficulty with judicial oversight of the sort that you are suggesting is that it could significantly slow down the process. I imagine that the judge would be relatively reluctant to make an order of that sort until he was well seized of the case. We are envisaging here questioning that takes place fairly swiftly after charge. However, I do believe that some element of supervision would be desirable. It seems natural that the police should consult the prosecutor in the case, so that a decision can be taken on whether post-charge questioning in the circumstances of that case is appropriate. An element of supervision is desirable, but judicial supervision could slow the process down too much.' Official Report, Counter-Terrorism Public Bill Committee, 22 April 2008; c. 45-46, QI 18.

However, following the concerns expressed by the JCHR and at Public Bill Committee, we have developed a proposal which introduces supervision for post-charge questioning but which doesn't unnecessarily hinder the use of the power. In particular we have proposed that a number of safeguards should be on the face of the Bill which would mean that:

- Post-charge questioning must be authorised for a period of up to 24 hours in the first instance by an officer of the rank of superintendent;

- Any subsequent questioning would require authorisation by a magistrate who could authorise a period of post-charge questioning of up to 5 days. Further periods of questioning of up to 5 days would require further application to a magistrate. Magistrates could only authorise post-charge questioning If they believe it to be in the interests of justice and that the investigation is being conducted diligently and expeditiously;

- All post-charge interviews would be video-recorded.

We have also produced draft codes of practice for post-charge questioning which specify additional safeguards for post-charge questioning. The codes would ensure that every suspect has a right to legal representation during questioning and that questioning would require authorisation not only by a police officer of rank of at least Superintendent, but also in conjunction with the prosecutor of a case.

The draft PACE codes also make clear that police and prosecutors should seek to avoid post charge questioning taking place which may limit or restrict the ability for the person or his or her defence to prepare adequately for court proceedings. We are not making express provision for this in the Bill as there may be situations when questioning close to the trial is unavoidable, for example to prevent the person causing injury to others, in these cases, every effort would be made to discuss with the suspect or his or her legal representatives in order to minimise any disruption to the court process.

Recommendation 10

In our view, it should be possible to draft a limitation on the scope of post-charge questioning which confines it to new evidence but defines new evidence in such a way as to include material which has only become available, for example, as a result of analysis of computer material which was already physically available.

It would not be appropriate or practical to confine post-charge questioning to new evidence which has become available following charge. We believe to do so would make all post-charge questioning subject to challenge on the basis of whether or not the evidence was available at charge.

We are also believe that there may be circumstances in which it would be appropriate to question the suspect about evidence available pre-charge; for example analysis of evidence collected after charge could cast a new light on evidence that was available pre-charge. In addition, and most importantly, we would not want to risk the prohibition of post-charge questioning about evidence available pre-charge where the purpose of the interview would be to prevent injury to others.

Recommendation 11

The Government says that amendments to the control orders framework are not necessary because the judgment in MB already makes it human right compatible. We do not agree that the effect of the judgments in MB are as clear as the Government contends, as is borne out by the continued litigation and appeals about precisely what the case requires. We remain of the view that it is better that words appear on the face of a statute than that they are "read in" to the statute by a judgment the precise effect of which might not be very clear even after careful study. We suggest the amendments to give effect to these recommendations.

We continue to disagree with the JCHR's recommendations in relation to control orders. As we have stated in response to previous JCHR reports, as a result of the House of Lords judgments, the Prevention of Terrorism Act 2005 is fully compatible with human rights and no amendments to the legislation are necessary.

Recommendation 12

In our view, the Government's justification for this measure, that the current law may be incompatible with Article 2 ECHR in this respect, is highly questionable. The law of public interest immunity applies to inquests and already provides the Government with the opportunity to persuade the coroner not to disclose certain documents or information because to do so would damage the public interest, including national security.

Public Interest Immunity (P11) is not the answer to the problem that these proposals address. P11 would enable the coroner to withhold material from both the public and the jury as fact-finder. However, the difficulty the proposal is addressing is how to ensure that all relevant material including sensitive material can be put before the fact-finder. As the sensitive material cannot be shown to a jury, there is a need to have a different fact-finder, hence why the coroner will be the fact-finder in every inquest under the proposal.

Recommendation 13

The proposed solution of specially appointed, security-cleared coroners would, in our view, clearly not be compatible with Article 2. In any case where the State is potentially implicated in the death which is being investigated, a coroner appointed by the Secretary of State, instead of by the normal method, would not satisfy the requirement in Article 2 ECHR that the investigation be carried out by a person independent from those implicated in the events. The fact that the coroner has been directly appointed by the Secretary of State for the purposes of the particular inquest would be fatal to any appearance of independence

The fact that a judicial officer is appointed by the executive does not fatally undermine their independence for Article 6 or Article 2 purposes. However, as there is no policy imperative in having the Secretary of State make the appointments, the Government agreed to consider an alternative mechanism.

We have therefore tabled amendments for consideration at Report stage which add a requirement for the Secretary of State (for Justice) to establish and maintain an approved list of coroners eligible to be appointed to hold certified inquests. The Secretary of State (for Justice) must seek the agreement of the Lord Chief Justice before a coroner can be placed on the approved list, and those appointed to the list will be drawn from the existing pool of independent district coroners. The Lord Chief Justice's agreement must also be sought when there is a need to appoint a person to hold a certified inquest. Similarly, if there is a need for the Secretary of State to revoke an appointment - because, for example, of a coroner's incapacity or illness, or because the inquest is no longer subject to a certificate and can therefore be conducted by the coroner for the relevant district - then the appointment can only be revoked with the agreement of the Lord Chief Justice.

The amendments respond to concerns raised during the passage of the Bill regarding the appointments system for specially appointed coroners. The amendments address these concerns by requiring the agreement of the Lord Chief Justice to the inclusion of a coroner on the approved list of coroners, and with each individual appointment of a specially appointed coroner whenever a certificate under section 8A(1) is issued.

Recommendation 14

We therefore recommend that the clause concerning coroners' inquests be deleted from the Bill and the issue returned to in the context of the forthcoming Coroners Bill.

We are aware of a current inquest which may need to consider material that cannot be disclosed publicly without harming the public interest, and which has stalled because the coroner is unable to see the material. It was therefore necessary to take action to address this problem now, rather than wait a further year for a Coroners Bill even though the latter has been confirmed in the draft programme for the next Parliamentary session.

There may be circumstances such as these in which a coroners' inquest may need to consider material that cannot be disclosed publicly for very important public interest reasons, for example because its disclosure might damage national security and place sources' lives in danger. We must therefore find a way of allowing the inquest to be able to consider all such material so coroners' inquests can always comply with Article 2.

Inquests are unlike criminal proceedings where a decision can be made not to prosecute if there is sensitive material that cannot be disclosed to the defendant as would be required in criminal proceedings by Article 6. If the death occurred in circumstances where Article 2 requires the UK to hold an inquest, and the sensitive material is relevant to how the individual met their death, there is the insurmountable difficulty that the investigation into the death must proceed but such material cannot be disclosed in open court without damaging an important public interest such as national security. In such a case, the inquest cannot safely be held by a coroner sitting with a jury.

The proposals have been drafted very carefully to ensure that coroners' inquests can always be compatible with Article 2 even when there is material which is central to the inquest but which cannot be disclosed publicly.

We believe that this proposal is fully compliant with the ECHR and represents the best way of achieving an appropriate balance between the concerns of bereaved families and the need to protect the public interest.


 
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