4 Clause
12: parliamentary privilege
Prosecuting
MPs and peers for corruption
101. The draft Bill intends that Members of Parliament
and peers should be subject to the same corruption law as everyone
else. We support this objective. No witness argued that MPs and
peers should be immune from the corruption laws. The Standards
and Privileges Committee of the House of Commons, the Constitution
Committee of the House of Lords and the (Wicks) Committee on Standards
in Public life support the proposal. [121]
102. Corruption in Parliament has not wholly escaped
punishment in the past. Indeed Members have been punished by expulsion
for accepting bribes since at least 1667.[122]
The leading authority on parliamentary procedure, Erskine May,
says:
"The acceptance by a Member of either House
of a bribe to influence him in his conduct as a Member, or of
any fee, compensation or reward in connection with the promotion
of or opposition to any Bill, resolution, matter or thing submitted
or intended to be submitted to the House or to a committee is
a contempt. Any person who is found to have offered such a corrupt
consideration is also in contempt".[123]
103. We understand that the exclusion of MPs from
the statutory offences of corruption is a result of historical
accident rather than deliberate policy. This is because the statutory
offences have been interpreted to mean that neither House is a
public body for the purposes of the Public Bodies Corrupt Practices
Act 1889 and a Member of Parliament is not an agent for the purposes
of the Prevention of Corruption Act 1906.
104. In 1992 one Member of Parliament was prosecuted
for the common law offence of bribery. The judge ruled
that MPs were subject to the common law offence.[124]
In that case it was alleged that the MP accepted bribes from a
company in his constituency "to show such favour as might
be within his power as a member of Parliament" to the company
and its directors in relation to their business and contracts
with British Rail. The case never came to a full trial because
in a separate trial of the company executives the judge ruled
that there was no case to answer and the Crown later offered no
evidence against the MP.
105. The Committee has received little evidence that
any MPs and peers have avoided prosecution for corruption either
because of their status or because parliamentary proceedings cannot
be questioned in court.[125]
As the Joint Committee on Parliamentary Privilege noted in 1999,
"there are very few instances of corruption involving Members
of Parliament".[126]
The Attorney General could not identify any occasions in which
MPs or peers have escaped prosecution because of the provisions
of Article IX of the Bill of Rights 1689.[127]
We have been told there have been very few cases in other comparable
jurisdictions.[128]
106. The draft Bill does not explicitly mention MPs
and peers but its intention and effect are clearly to include
them within the new corruption offences. This is the case irrespective
of whether Clause 12 is in the Bill.
107. The purpose of Clause 12 is to remove any evidential
difficulty in prosecuting MPs and peers. We understand that in
many situations MPs and peers could be prosecuted for corruption
without any evidence of proceedings in Parliament being adduced
in court. Nonetheless there may be circumstances in which a conviction
could not be obtained without such evidence. The 1999 Joint Committee
on Parliamentary Privilege expected that there would be few prosecutions
of Members for corruption and that in only a small proportion
of such cases would it be necessary to question
proceedings in Parliament.[129]
The Attorney General and Director of Public Prosecutions, respectively,
told us:
"I think there would be cases where without
Clause 12 it would not be possible to bring a prosecution because
evidence of a key ingredient of the offence would not otherwise
be available" [130]
"I can imagine that it would be very important
in order to secure a conviction of a corrupt elected Member to
be able to adduce in evidence things that he or she had said,
either in a Committee like this or in the House itself, as evidence
of whatever the bribe had been intended to achieve".[131]
108. On the issue whether Clause 12 is necessary,
we refer below to Australian and American cases. The Clerk of
the House of Commons told us:
"It can .... be argued that the fundamental
requirement for the successful prosecution of the proposed new
criminal offence of corruption will be clear evidence of the existence
of a corrupt bargain and that Clause 12 will not materially assist
the prosecution in meeting that requirement
..[but] I accept
that some hypothetical cases of corruption by Members of Parliament
would be, at least, extremely difficult to prosecute as criminal
offences without encroaching on the Bill of Rights".[132]
109. There is experience of legislators being prosecuted
in other countries without impinging on freedom of speech in Parliament.
We were told that in Australia, evidence of parliamentary proceedings
could be cited in court as long as the participants in those proceedings
were not exposed to criminal liability.[133]
In several instances Members have been prosecuted for corruption-type
offences without reference to parliamentary proceedings and without
it being thought that the prosecution was hampered thereby.[134]
In the United States of America, convictions of legislators for
corruption have been obtained by concentrating on the improper
agreement to do something rather than on the act which was done
as part of proceedings in Congress.[135]
In both countries the development in the law has resulted from
the decisions of courts in actual cases; in Australia this has
led to Parliament enacting a statutory definition of parliamentary
proceedings.
110. The leading American case on this point was
described to us in these terms:
"In US v Brewster a U S Senator was charged
with accepting a bribe to be influenced in his performance of
official acts in respect to his action, vote and decision on legislation.
The Supreme Court decided that while a prosecution might not inquire
into legislative acts or their motivation, taking or agreeing
to take money to act in a certain way when participating in a
legislative act cannot itself be a legislative act. Taking a bribe
is, obviously, no part of the legislative process or function;
it is not a legislative act. It is not, by any conceivable interpretation,
an act performed as part of or even incidental to the role of
a legislator. Nor is inquiry into a legislative act or the motivation
for a legislative act necessary to a prosecution
It is
the taking of the bribe, and not the performance of any illicit
compact that is the criminal act under the statute. The speech
or debate Clause interposes no obstacle to this type of prosecution.
The guilty act is the acceptance of the bribe, and that is complete
without performance".[136]
Other
matters on Parliamentary Privilege
111. In bringing forward this measure, the Home Office
has relied on the recommendations of the Joint Committee on Parliamentary
Privilege in 1999. It has sought, in the explanatory notes, to
portray Clause 12 as the inevitable consequence of that Joint
Committee's recommendation. The Lords Constitution Committee,
responding to our invitation to submit evidence, said "We
endorse the conclusions of that Joint Committee, which form the
basis of Clause 12 of the draft Bill, that Article IX of the 1689
Bill of Rights should be disapplied in respect of allegations
of corruption against members of Parliament".[137]
We do not read these recommendations as showing that it was the
intention of that Joint Committee to allow witnesses before select
committees to be questioned in court on what they had said in
Parliament.
112. No reference is made in the Home Office documents
to the other recommendations of that report. One key recommendation
was that parliamentary privilege should be put on a statutory
basis on the lines of the Australian Parliamentary Privileges
Act. As the Clerk of the House put it:
"I would find it somewhat easier to accept the
inclusion in the Bill of a provision derogating from the principle
of freedom of speech in the case of alleged corruption by a Member
of Parliament if it were being presented in the context of a wider
statutory restatement of parliamentary immunities and the scope
of parliamentary freedom of speech".[138]
113. We note that the Joint Committee itself contemplated
the Government adopting a selective approach to implementation
of its recommendations and said:
"The recommendations of the Joint Committee
requiring enactment by legislation should be included in a new
Parliamentary Privileges
Act. These recommendations
will stand enactment by themselves, but if so enacted the results
will be an uncomfortable mixture of modern statute and ancient
learning".[139]
114. We consider it would be better if
the Joint Committee recommendations were followed and a Parliamentary
Privilege Bill dealing with all these matters were brought forward.
Freedom
of speech in Parliament
115. The aim of parliamentary privilege has never
been to protect Members from the consequences of their own wrong-doing.
Article IX of the Bill of Rights protects freedom of speech so
that Parliament can debate all matters fully without the participants
being in fear of adverse consequences. The most obvious examples
include:
· A witness
before a select committee who might be deterred from explaining
the full details of a matter
· An MP
asking a question about a sensitive constituency matter
· A Minister
replying to a debate about how a particular matter had been handled.
116. We understand that Clause 12 as drafted would
apply to all parliamentary proceedings including:
a) an MP's words about his own conduct
b) an MP's words about another MP's conduct
c) an MP's words about a non-Member's conduct
d) a witness' words about his own conduct, the conduct
of an MP or someone else.
117. In all these instances there is a public interest
in ensuring that the fullest facts are disclosed in Parliament
and that no one - witness, Member or minister - should feel inhibited
by the prospect of what he or she says being subsequently questioned
in court. The importance of such freedom of speech in Parliament
was recognised recently when the European Court of Human Rights
rejected an action against the UK in respect of what an MP had
said in debate.[140]
That case concerned an MP who in 1996 initiated a debate on municipal
housing policy. He referred to anti-social behaviour and cited
the name and address of a constituent. As a consequence the constituent
received adverse press coverage. Her application to the European
Court of Human Rights alleged that the absolute parliamentary
immunity which prevented her from taking legal action in respect
of statements made about her in Parliament violated her right
of access to court under Article 6 and her right to privacy under
Article 8 of the Convention. In another case the Court had stated
that while freedom of expression was important for everyone, it
was especially so for an elected representative of the people,
who represented the electorate, drew attention to their preoccupations
and defended their interests.[141]
In the case of A v. UK the Court noted that most if not
all signatory states to the Convention had in place some form
of immunity for members of their national legislatures and that
the immunity afforded to MPs in the UK was in several respects
narrower than in certain other countries. The Court stated: "The
absolute immunity enjoyed by MPs is moreover designed to protect
the interests of Parliament as a whole as opposed to those of
individual MPs".
Resolving
the dilemma
118. There are thus competing interests between convicting
the corrupt and protecting freedom of speech in Parliament. There
is a high public interest in protecting the frankness of witnesses
giving information to parliamentary committees. On the other hand
there is also a high public interest in preventing parliamentary
proceedings from being corrupted in ways which are immune from
censure in the courts or in Parliament itself. Parliament should
be aware of the implications of legislating in ways which make
it appear as though the only place where one could lawfully act
in corrupt ways is in the Houses of Parliament.
119. There may be different ways of resolving these
competing interests in respect of, on the one hand, witnesses
before select committees and, on the other, Members and peers.
The Liaison Committee of select committee chairmen has expressed
concern about the effect of Clause 12 on witnesses.[142]
Witnesses are usually unfamiliar with Parliament, they are expected
to answer questions put to them and they only appear before select
committees. We are inclined to accept the argument that they are
more likely to be inhibited in their evidence by the prospect
of it being questioned in court.
120. We have therefore considered the following possibilities:
· Accepting
Clause 12 as drafted
· Rejecting
Clause 12 completely
· Excluding
witnesses from Clause 12
· Confining
Clause 12 to essential cases.
Accepting
Clause 12 as drafted
121. The Explanatory Notes on the draft Bill state
that Clause 12 implements a recommendation of the Joint Committee
on Parliamentary Privilege in 1999. In weighing up four options
for dealing with bribery of MPs - proposed by the Home Office
in its 1996 consultation paper - that Committee accepted both
that MPs and peers should be brought within new statutory corruption
offences and that there should be a derogation from Article
IX to secure convictions in rare cases where there was insufficient
evidence from other sources. The Committee appear to have accepted
that the first objective could not be secured without the second.
Our evidence on that point is more mixed (see paragraphs 107 to
110 above). But the Joint Committee's consideration of the waiver
of Article IX is expressed entirely within the context of bribery
of MPs - it did not contemplate withdrawing the protection of
Article IX from witnesses before select committees.
122. The case for Clause 12 as drafted - allowing
any proceedings in Parliament to be cited in court in a corruption
case - was put by the Attorney General:
"Clause 12 does go further than simply dealing
with a Member, I agree. It would cover a case where somebody comes
before a committee such as this or another committee, who perhaps
comes forward as an expert to come and tell the Committee that
there is not a problem from a particular scientific process, or
something of that sort, and has in fact been bribed to say the
opposite of the truth. What would happen at the moment would be
that the evidence that had been given to the select committee
could not be brought into court to prove that this person had
been corrupted into giving that false evidence. I would add that
it is obviously a policy matter but I think you can argue very
strongly that freedom of speech is actually enhanced by having
a limited exception so that you can be satisfied that people who
are speaking are speaking from the heart, honestly and genuinely,
and not speaking because they have been paid secretly by some
interested party to do so".[143]
Rejecting
Clause 12 completely
123. The principal arguments put against Clause 12
were that:
· Clause
12 is not essential -- the aim of prosecuting MPs and peers for
corruption could be achieved by other means and
· any
erosion of privilege will inhibit freedom of speech in the chamber
or other parliamentary proceedings.
124. Ways in which the purpose could be achieved
by other means are described in paragraph 109 above and whether
Clause 12 is essential is dealt with in paragraphs 107 and 108
above. On the dangers of eroding freedom of speech, the case for
rejecting Clause 12 completely was put largely by Mr Harry Evans,
the Clerk of the Australian Senate, and Sir William McKay, the
recently-retired Clerk of the House of Commons:
"Any dilution of Article IX in the United Kingdom
would weaken its status as a statement of major constitutional
principle".[144]
"It would still allow one side or the other
in court to ask a Member what he meant by what he said. I think
that is too high a price to pay for the remedying of a very, very
serious but very rare mischief".[145]
"If the protection of Article IX is broken into,
your position is very much weaker than if you have untouched protection".[146]
"If the words or actions in proceedings of a
member or a witness could be used to prosecute the member or witness
or some other person, proceedings in Parliament would no longer
be free from all external interference. Members and witnesses
would be aware that what they say and do in the course of proceedings
could be turned against them or other persons in some future criminal
investigations, and therefore would not speak freely".[147]
"[If you ask me: Would Members be less willing
to speak freely in Parliament?] I think they would. The Member
who has the floor does not need to be within a million miles of
corruption he just needs to be talking about it or an instant
case or a case that comes on next year, a constituency problem
which at the time the Member speaks he has no conception will
fetch up in the courts".[148]
Excluding
witnesses from Clause 12
125. One way of narrowing the effect of Clause 12
would be to exclude from it anyone other than MPs and peers -
bearing in mind the overt rationale for the Clause is to overcome
difficulties in prosecuting MPs and peers. The Liaison Committee
have suggested that the balance of public interest between securing
convictions for corruption and protecting freedom of speech in
Parliament lies differently with outsiders giving evidence to
committees than it does with MPs and peers.[149]
We note that while witnesses are the main category of non-Member
who would be caught by Clause 12, it also includes outsiders submitting
petitions concerning private Bills and parliamentary staff directly
engaged in proceedings.
126. The case against excluding one category of people
was set out by Sir William McKay:
"My objection to this method of approach is
not lessened by the narrowing, because all you have done is you
have highlighted those who should be protected and who are not
going to be protected. MPs and Peers were protected, and now they
are not".[150]
127. The Attorney General told us that there would
be advantages for prosecutors if witnesses before select committees
could be prosecuted for corruption offences on the basis of their
evidence to committees. He also said it would be helpful if Clause
12 could be extended not just to corruption cases but also to
fraud cases.[151]
Confining
Clause 12 to essential cases
128. We have also considered confining Clause 12
to the immediate situation the Bill was originally designed to
overcome: the prosecution of MPs and peers for corruption. Leaving
aside for the moment the issue of witnesses before committees,
the Clause as drafted would enable MPs and peers to be questioned
in court about what they had said in Parliament in respect of
at least three scenarios where it was alleged that the person
involved in corruption was:
· the
individual MP or peer whose words were in question
· another
MP or peer
· another
person who was not an MP or peer.
129. We have already referred, in paragraphs 107
and 108 above, to the question whether it would be necessary in
order to secure a conviction of an MP to cite in court what they
themselves had said or done in parliamentary proceedings. We have
also heard conflicting evidence about whether a court would admit
evidence as to what an MP or peer had said about another person
whether or not an MP or peer. The Director of Public Prosecutions
told us:
"I cannot see how that would ever be admissible
in a criminal trial. Saying things about people is not evidence.
Facts are evidence. I think that particular bit actually over-states
the difficulty. If a Member of Parliament had commented in a debate
on an individual, that is highly unlikely to be evidence relevant
to the commission of a criminal offence".[152]
130. In arguing against Clause 12, however, Sir William
McKay gave an example of how this might apply in practice:
"The consequences of partial withdrawing of
the protection of Article IX would very, very rarely fall on the
corrupt Member of either House. They would be much more likely
to fall
on the Member who has got a corruption case going
on in his constituency, nothing to do whatever with Parliament,
and that Member makes a contribution to debate and either by accident
or design says something about the case
I would imagine
any defence counsel would be anxious to throw a little smoke around
and ask for the Member's attendance to discuss what it was he
said, how he knew it and what his motives were. This is, it seems
to me, exactly what the Bill of Rights is intended to prevent
happening. The Member himself is not corrupt but having lost the
protection of Article IX he or she is asked to explain themselves
before the courts".[153]
131. We have heard there is some uncertainty and
that it would be up to the judge in particular cases to decide
(on the basis of the relevance of evidence) whether a Member should
be called to be questioned on what he had said. This uncertainty
goes to the heart of the issue of freedom of speech: would a witness
before a committee or a Member raising a constituency case in
debate be inhibited from doing so by the possibility that
they might be questioned in court on why they had said
it? A very recent example of what can happen
in practice was drawn to our attention by the Clerk of the Australian
Senate: in that country, during the trial of a Member of Parliament
for corruption, he was questioned about statements he had made
in Parliament - while the appeal court held that the questioning
had been in breach of the Australian Parliamentary Privileges
Act, this had not resulted in a miscarriage of justice.[154]
132. The DPP told us that Clause 12 could be amended:
"It certainly could be drafted more narrowly.
It could, for instance, be limited to cases where the defendant
is the elected representative, because here this could be evidence
in a quite different case against somebody who is not elected,
and that would be one limitation that could be placed on it. Obviously
it could be limited more than it currently is. It is quite a wide
provision at the moment".[155]
Conclusion
on Clause 12
133. The choice is between accepting Clause 12 as
drafted and adopting a modified form of protecting parliamentary
proceedings from consideration in the courts. There are arguments
in favour of either course, but we do not consider that the law
should be left as it is now in Article IX. We have already set
out the opinion of the Director of Public Prosecutions that it
is almost impossible to conceive of situations when comments made
by MPs or peers in Parliament about third parties could be admissible
in evidence in any event. However, given that some people express
uncertainty on this, and given also that the DPP has told us this
Clause could be narrowed, there are some advantages in following
that course. The weight of evidence we have heard is against the
inclusion of Clause 12 as drafted. We are persuaded that some
changes in the exclusion of parliamentary proceedings from consideration
by the courts has to be accepted if the prosecution of an MP or
peer for corruption is to be achieved.
134. We therefore recommend that Clause
12 be narrowed. This would apply only to the words or actions
of an MP or peer in a case where he is the defendant. This
is in line with the recommendations of the 1999 Joint Committee
on Parliamentary Privilege. We also recommend that, to the
extent that the words or actions of an MP or peer are admissible
for or against him, they should also be admissible for or against
all co-defendants in respect of corruption offences based on the
same facts. So the words of an MP could be used
for or against a non-Member who was a defendant in the same trial.
135. In relation to witnesses and other Members,
however, we conclude that the balance of public interest lies
with protecting freedom of speech in Parliament. We
recommend that Clause 12 be redrafted on the lines set out below
(with new words in italics), subject
to further drafting advice:
"No enactment or rule of law preventing proceedings
in Parliament being impeached or questioned in any court or place
out of Parliament is to prevent any evidence of words spoken,
or acts performed, by a person alleged to have committed a corruption
offence as a Member of either House of Parliament, being admissible
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a) in proceedings for that offence against
that person; or
b) in proceedings
for a corruption offence which arises out of the same facts.
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