The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Barrett,
John
(Edinburgh, West)
(LD)
Brown,
Mr. Russell
(Dumfries and Galloway)
(Lab)
Clapham,
Mr. Michael
(Barnsley, West and Penistone)
(Lab)
Cousins,
Jim
(Newcastle upon Tyne, Central)
(Lab)
Crabb,
Mr. Stephen
(Preseli Pembrokeshire)
(Con)
Dorries,
Nadine
(Mid-Bedfordshire)
(Con)
Hamilton,
Mr. Fabian
(Leeds, North-East)
(Lab)
Heyes,
David
(Ashton-under-Lyne)
(Lab)
Hollobone,
Mr. Philip
(Kettering)
(Con)
Lancaster,
Mr. Mark
(North-East Milton Keynes)
(Con)
McCarthy,
Kerry
(Bristol, East)
(Lab)
Moore,
Mr. Michael
(Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk)
(LD)
Seabeck,
Alison
(Plymouth, Devonport)
(Lab)
Simpson,
Alan
(Nottingham, South)
(Lab)
Stanley,
Sir John
(Tonbridge and Malling)
(Con)
Thomas,
Mr. Gareth
(Minister of State, Department for
International Development)Mark
Oxborough, Committee Clerk
attended the Committee
Fifth
Delegated Legislation
Committee
Tuesday 20
October
2009
[Mr.
Mike Weir in the
Chair]
Draft
Caribbean Development Bank (Seventh Replenishment of the Unified
Special Development Fund) Order
2009
4.30
pm
The
Minister of State, Department for International Development
(Mr. Gareth Thomas): I beg to
move,
That
the Committee has considered the draft Caribbean Development Bank
(Seventh Replenishment of the Unified Special Development Fund) Order
2009.
Let me say at
the outset that it is a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship,
Mr. Weir. I trust that you will intervene with vigour if I
am ever bullied during the proceedings.
We meet to
consider the UKs proposed contribution to the seventh
replenishment of the special development fund of the Caribbean
Development Bank. As hon. Members on both sides will recognise, the
Caribbean, like other parts of the world, is suffering from the impact
of the global financial crisis. Some Caribbean countries are in
recession. The crisis has reduced regional growth by 0.5 per cent. this
year, and we expect an impact in 2010 as well. Tourism receipts are
expected to fall by 15 per cent. this year. We also expect unemployment
to increase.
The CDB is
playing a key role in the response to the financial crisis. It provides
funds for Governments and infrastructure projects, it helps to
strengthen social safety nets and it is helping to co-ordinate
responses to the financial crisis between countries and donors. The new
funding for the seventh replenishment of the special development fund
is crucial to our wider efforts to help Caribbean countries tackle
poverty.
By way of
introduction to the CDB, let me say that the bank has a quite unique
regional focus. It is an important Caribbean institution. By bringing
Caribbean countries together, it is helping to make real progress in
the region towards achieving the millennium development goals,
supporting economic development and, crucially, supporting regional
integration.
The CDB has
two lending elements: first, ordinary capital resources and, secondly,
the special development fund, which is the subject of the draft order.
Ordinary capital resources are lent at near-market rates and aim to be
self-financing. The fund provides grants and lending on concessional
terms to the less developed members of the CDB, and it relies almost
entirely on donor contributions for replenishment every four years. The
negotiations for the current replenishment resulted in an agreement in
March 2009. The total resources agreed for the fund were £197.5
million, of which donors collectively will contribute £122.6
million. Our proposed contribution is £35.4 million, which
represents a 24.4 per cent. share.
During the
negotiations, we pushed for and achieved agreement on a number of
issues: first, a more focused strategy for the CDB and particularly the
fund, prioritising measures to support economic growth, work on climate
change, regional integration and aid effectiveness; secondly, a
results-monitoring framework with clear targets and baselines to
measure progress; thirdly, more progress on human resource management,
including more specialist professional staff to help with the
implementation of programmes; fourthly, an increased emphasis on
climate change, regional co-operation and gender equality; and,
fifthly, a scaled-up programme of assistance to Haiti, where more than
60 per cent. of the Caribbeans poorest people live. In short,
SDF 7 offers a well-targeted and effective means of tackling the most
serious poverty in the Caribbean. In that spirit, I commend the order
to the Committee.
4.34
pm
Mr.
Mark Lancaster (North-East Milton Keynes) (Con): This is
the latest in a line of replenishment orders, and we have already dealt
with instruments for the World Bank, the African Development Bank and
the Asian Development Bank.
The
replenishment for the CDB marks a significant increase. The last
replenishment totalled £23,492,000, whereas the present one
totals £35,357,000. Although it is broadly in line with the
replenishments for the other development banks, it none the less
represents a large increase. The Minister has outlined some of the
reasons for that, but I would like him to explain it in greater depth.
Organisations that do not receive Department for International
Development funds to the same degree statethis is not my
personal viewthat we are increasing our contributions to
regional banks because it is relatively easy to do so, rather than
finding other means to spend money through bilateral contributions,
non-governmental organisations and other sources. The Minister should
therefore expand on why the increase is so
significant.
The
Minister mentioned the key objectives, but I would like to go back a
stage and ask what the key objectives for the sixth replenishment were.
Perhaps we should see whether those objectives were met before we wade
ahead with the seventh replenishment. It is important when we set
objectives that there is a reckoning as to whether they are met.
Indeed, I recall from a previous debate on the Asian Development Bank
that not all of the payment was made; some of it was conditional on the
bank achieving various outcomes. There does not seem to be any such
conditionality in relation to the replenishment for the Caribbean
Development Bank. Why is that? Is it because we are more confident
about the Caribbean Development Bank than we are about the Asian
Development Bank, or have all the objectives been met? We should
explore that and see whether all the objectives for the sixth
replenishment were
met.
The
explanatory notes state that the key objectives
include:
A
much more focused strategy, reducing Bank core activities from around
20 dispersed areas to four key themes: growth, climate change, regional
integration and development
effectiveness.
I
certainly support the aim to focus on fewer areas, but why those
particular areas? The Minister said that the CDB has a unique focus. I
recall the African Development Bank deciding that its comparative
advantage was in
regional infrastructure, but the unique focus of the CDB is not clear.
Is the Minister saying that none of the other institutions focus on
growth, climate change, regional integration or development
effectiveness? What is the unique
focus?
Another
key objective
is:
A
fully quantified results monitoring framework with clear targets and
baselines.
Who
can argue with that? That is exactly what we want, but does that imply
that there has not been a fully quantified results monitoring framework
in the past? What concerns did that raise with the most recent
replenishment, and have they been met? The next key objective is to
achieve:
Progress
on human resource management, including restructuring some posts and
recruiting more professional staff to work in areas such as gender,
environmental sustainability and climate
change.
That,
too, is a worthy aim, but, as with the other regional banks, will the
Minister comment on the composition of the board? Every bank, including
the World Bank, is giving that consideration; is the Caribbean
Development Bank doing that? Other regional banks are also focusing on
decentralisation and country offices. That is certainly true of the
African Development Bank, but is it also true of the Caribbean
Development
Bank?
The
final key objective
is:
A
scaled up programme of assistance to
Haiti.
That
is fine, but it raises the question: why are we no longer focusing on
good
governance?
4.38
pm
Mr.
Michael Moore (Berwickshire, Roxburgh and Selkirk) (LD):
It is, as always, a pleasure to serve under your chairmanship,
Mr. Weir. I think that the need to defend the Minister from
bullying will be fairly limited this afternoon. I would simply like him
to answer a few questions and elaborate on his commendably concise
introduction.
The hon.
Gentleman was right to put the draft order in the context of the
terrible global downturn and the particular pressures that it is
putting on the developing world. We have rightly been focusing on the
downturns impact in our country, but several of the problems
here are also being experienced in the developing world. Our
discussions often focusunderstandably soon Africa. The
draft order allows us a brief opportunity to look at some of the
serious issues affecting the
Caribbean.
From
what the Minister said, it seems that the 24 per cent. of the overall
replenishment that the UK contribution represents is consistent with
previous shares that we have contributed. Following on from the
question put by the hon. Member for North-East Milton Keynes, the
question is not so much why are we increasing our
contributionbecause I would think that, pro rata, it is the
samebut what led to the decision back in December last year to
increase it by that amount? At that stage, what additional needs had
been identified? Clearly, since the negotiation was concluded in
December, the world has changed and there are additional pressures that
perhaps were not foreseen then. I would be interested to know how that
now plays into the support for the Caribbean Development Bank and
others.
Mr.
Thomas: To answer the hon. Gentlemans point and,
tangentially, if he will forgive me, the question put by the hon.
Member for North-East Milton Keynes, let me highlight two issues. Two
specific issues were part of the rationale for increasing funding under
SDF 7. Firstly, there was the clear impact of the global recession,
which we were already beginning to see was a problem in December. It
was clear that that would play into the next two or three years at
least in the
Caribbean.
The
second issue is the challenge of climate change. Anyone who knows the
CaribbeanI am sure that the hon. Member for Berwickshire,
Roxburgh and Selkirk recognises thiswill be aware of the scale
of the disasters that have hit the Caribbean region, particularly
hurricanes. Stronger responses need to be put in place to deal with the
impact of climate change, to ensure that the Caribbean is better able
to cope with such disasters. Those are just two of the reasons for the
increase.
Mr.
Moore: I am grateful to the Minister for that
intervention, which provides a useful illustration of the fact that
although hurricanes have been a feature of that part of the world for
ever, climate change means that such disasters can only get worse. The
fact that additional resources have been put in for such a purpose is
welcome recognition of that. I do not know if the Minister is in a
position to tell us now, but it would be helpful to break down within
the sum that we are contributing and within the new replenishment as a
whole what the balance of investment areas will be and the extent to
which, in signing up to the replenishment, we have ring-fenced sums
along the lines that he suggests, or the extent to which that is left
to the development bank to
determine.
In
his contribution to the G20 follow-up in September, the Prime Minister
recognised both the strengths of the development banks and some of the
problems. In chapter 4, paragraph 4.12 of the document
Supporting Global Growth, he states that multilateral
development
banks
only
have limited flexibility to respond to a
shock.
To
pick up the other point I was making to the Minister, it would be
helpful if he set out how he envisages a more flexible response being
built into how those banks operate, because a four-yearly replenishment
is clearly not swift and nimble enough to deal with the sort of
problems we are seeing now and might expect to see
again.
Last
year, the Government started off one of our rare debates on
international development on the Floor of the House by raising the
subject of transparency. They recognised that giving our constituents
confidence that the money we spend on development is well spent is very
important, particularly when there are financial pressures here at home
and every pound spent must be properly justified. The Minister
mentioned results frameworks and talked about very important
objectives, with which, as the hon. Member for North-East Milton Keynes
said, few of us would disagree, whether in relation to the environment,
gender equality or whatever. However, it would be helpful to understand
a bit more about the reporting process and the extent to which that is
fed back not just to DFID but to Parliament. Do the new arrangements
represent an enhanced version of that reporting process compared with
what we had under the previous
replenishment?
The
key to that, notwithstanding the presence of any conditionality, is
what sanctions there are if we are not happy with what is being done. I
hope that, in answering
that broader point about development, which many of our constituents
ask, the Minister will give us some further detail. Other than that, I
am pleased to say that, as with other orders of this type, we are happy
to support
it.
4.45
pm
Mr.
Philip Hollobone (Kettering) (Con): I am delighted to have
been appointed to the Committee, because I think that investment in
developing countries is hugely important. Many of my constituents will
be proud that this country is investing a lot of money in the Caribbean
and much of that money will go to former Commonwealth
countries.
In relation
to the order, will the Minister say what the definition of the
Caribbean is? Twenty-five years ago, I spent the best part of a year as
a voluntary development worker in the Bay islands off the coast of
Honduras, which is a central American country, although those islands
regarded themselves as part of the Caribbean. Would any parts of
central or, indeed, south America be caught in the definition of the
Caribbean used in the
order?
It
would also be informative to know the balance between Commonwealth and
non-Commonwealth countries in the SDF-participant countries, because
although the United Kingdom controlled much of the Caribbean for a very
long time, we never controlled all of it. I read in the explanatory
note that among the 26 member countries in the SDF, 21 are
regional member countries and five are non-regional. Two of the
non-regional countries are cited: the United Kingdom and Canada, both
having about 9.5 per cent. shares and votes. What are the other three
non-regional countries? I would be intrigued to know whether one of
them is the United States. Clearly, the Caribbean is very much an
American lake in terms of US foreign policy. If the US
is not involved in the Caribbean Development Bank, how is the US
funnelling money into development projects in that region, and to what
extent can the United Kingdom assess the value of its contribution
through the CDB vehicle compared with any other vehicle that the US
might be
employing?
I
was very encouraged by the Ministers remarks that extra
investment is to go into Haiti, which has been the poorest part of the
western hemisphere for a very long time. I know that because Honduras,
certainly when I was there 25 years ago, was the second poorest part.
If investment in Haiti through the Caribbean Development Bank is
increasing, what investment elsewhere is being cut? I hope that the
Minister will address the point made by the Liberal Democrat spokesman
about giving us a better picture of where the banks investments
in the region are
going.
There
seems to be a regular replenishment of the funds available to the bank,
which I am sure is an excellent thing, but I would like to know how
much of the investment that this country and other countries are
putting into the bank is invested in endowment funds, for example, to
try to provide future income for the fund. Or is it the case that every
time there is a replenishment, it all comes out of revenue expenditure
from the donor countries?