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Select Committee on Welsh Affairs Fifth Report


3  The Children's Commissioner for Wales

Accountability

63.  Matter 15.7 gives the Assembly power to legislate in relation to the Office of the Children's Commissioner for Wales. Provision in the Government of Wales Act 2006 now means that the Commissioner reports to the Welsh Assembly Government rather than to the Assembly. In written evidence to the Assembly Committee, the Children's Commissioner stated:

We are of the opinion the Children's Commissioner for Wales should report to the National Assembly and not the Welsh Assembly Government.[78]

Any office or body concerned with safeguarding and promoting the well-being of children or young persons would be able to carry out this role more effectively and independently if their budget is controlled by the National Assembly rather than a Government Department as it is now.[79]

And, in oral evidence to the Assembly Committee:

The Scottish Commissioner is accountable to the Scottish Parliament as opposed to the Scottish Government. It falls within the Paris principles on best practice for human rights institutions, and we are a human rights institution.[80] As well as lending more independence, it lends more transparency.[81]

64.  In evidence to us, the Deputy Children's Commissioner cited "independence, transparency, accountability"[82] as justification for this preference, continuing:

Currently we are attached to a Department - the Education Department in the Assembly - and our budgets are set there … Best international practice … is that it is sliced separate from any department and it is set by the whole of the Assembly. I think it is really to secure … that independence and to be seen to be independent.[83]

65.  The Deputy Minister told the Assembly Committee that "it is entirely open for a future Measure to provide for the … Commissioner to be accountable to the National Assembly for Wales".[84] Other evidence submitted to the Assembly Committee by witnesses including the British Association for Adoption and Fostering and Save the Children supported the principle that the Children's Commissioner be accountable to the National Assembly rather than to the Welsh Assembly Government, which was also supported by the Assembly Committee's conclusion in its Report:

We seek assurances from the Welsh Assembly Government that the arrangements for lines of accountability, functions and remit of the Children's Commissioner for Wales will be considered in a future Measure …

However, in evidence to us the Deputy Minister said that "this is not an issue at the moment".[85]

66.  We welcome the fact that this proposed Order would enable the Welsh Assembly Government to bring forward a Measure so that the Children's Commissioner for Wales would be accountable to the National Assembly rather than to the Welsh Assembly Government. We concur with the Deputy Commissioner's view that this would enhance the Commissioner's independence, ensure transparency and increase accountability, and we fully support the Assembly Committee's recommendation urging the Welsh Assembly Government to bring forward such a Measure.

Whistleblowing

67.  Under the Public Interest Disclosure Act 1998, the Office of the Children's Commissioner for Wales is a prescribed regulator for whistleblowers.[86] The Deputy Commissioner told us that between four and six cases were reported annually, which provided very important information.[87] The Children's Commissioner has described complaints, advocacy and whistleblowing as his "essential safeguards in promoting and safeguarding the rights and welfare of children".[88] However, although the proposed Order refers to advocacy services and to complaints, whistleblowing is not referred to on the face of the revised Order.[89] In a memorandum to the Assembly Committee, the Commissioner stated, "… it is vital that this function is retained".[90]

68.  The Children's Commissioner noted that the Explanatory Memorandum to the proposed Order states:[91]

Matter 15.7 covers the functions of the Children's Commissioner for Wales including the office's specific role in relation to reviewing and monitoring of complaints, advocacy and whistleblowing arrangements of public bodies in Wales …[92]

69.  The Deputy Minister's view to the Assembly Committee was that whistleblowing was outside the scope of the devolution settlement as changes to the law to offer protection to the whistleblower were matters of employment law,[93] although she later said in evidence to us:

I do not see that the LCO as it is presented would exclude any measures in the future that would be to do with whistleblowing.[94]

70.  Mr Mike Lubienski, a lawyer for the Assembly Government who accompanied the Deputy Minister, confirmed that whistleblowing did come within the scope of the proposed Order:

There are a number of aspects of the matters by which it might be covered. It is an aspect of safeguarding children from harm and neglect in 15.1. In relation to social care services it might be a requirement that will be placed on the providers of social care services … The reason that the word itself has not been used in the Order is that it does not have a statutory definition.[95]

On the occasions that there are references to the activity of whistleblowing, such as in statutes like the Public Interest Disclosure Act, there is a fairly lengthy set of wording to describe the breadth and scope of what the activity is and, therefore, in a kind of Order of this sort where we are trying to set out in relatively few words the legislative scope, it was felt that it was not necessary because that type of activity was clearly covered by the wording at present.[96]

71.  In its Report on the proposed Order as originally published, the Assembly Committee concluded that it was "unconvinced" by the reasons put forward by the Deputy Minister for not making specific reference to whistleblowing in Matter 15.7 (and to advocacy - reference to which was subsequently included in the revised Order).[97]

72.  We recognise and appreciate the Children's Commissioner's description of whistleblowing as one of his "essential safeguards in promoting and safeguarding the rights and welfare of children". While the term "whistleblowing" itself has no statutory definition, we recommend that the proposed Order be amended to make it clear that the Order will do nothing to weaken the Children's Commissioner's existing powers in relation to whistleblowing.





78   Children's Commissioner, written evidence to the Assembly Committee, p 9 (not printed here) Back

79   ibid, p 11 (not printed here) Back

80   United Nations-endorsed standards governing independent human rights institutions Back

81   Maria Battle, evidence to the Assembly Committee, 6 November 2007 (Q 72) (not printed here) Back

82   Q 30 Back

83   ibid Back

84   Deputy Minister Gwenda Thomas AM, evidence to the Assembly Committee, 29 November 2007 (Q 103) (not printed here) Back

85   Q 92 Back

86   Q 34 Back

87   ibid Back

88   Children's Commissioner, written evidence to the Assembly Committee (not printed here) Back

89   Ev 23, Matter 15.7 Back

90   Memorandum from the Children's Commissioner for Wales to the Assembly Committee, p 12 (not printed here) Back

91   Ev 34; Ev 32 (para 32) Back

92   Ev 32 (para 32) Back

93   Deputy Minister, oral evidence to the Assembly Committee, 29 November (not printed here) Back

94   Q 96 Back

95   Q 94 Back

96   Q 95 Back

97   Assembly Committee Report, para 46 Back


 
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