With-Profits Committees
92. In 2005, the FSA introduced guidance requiring
firms to put in place governance arrangements which "involve
some independent judgement in the assessment of compliance with
the PPFM". The independent judgement can be provided in different
ways including, but not confined to, establishing a With-Profits
Committee (WPC) which includes some non-executive directors and
external non-directors, or using an independent person with appropriate
skills to perform the role.[194]
Firms are expected "to ensure that they consult their with-profits
governance arrangements on all significant issues affecting with-profits
policyholders' interest". These governance arrangements should
also be able to provide an independent challenge in the firm's
overall assessment of how any conflicts of interest between policyholders
and, if applicable, shareholders have been addressed.[195]
93. Sir Nicholas Montagu, the Chairman of Norwich
Union's WPC, provided us with an extensive insight into the role,
responsibilities and operation of his Committee. According to
Sir Nicholas, the Norwich Union WPC's role was to "advise
the [Norwich Union] Board on the day to day activities of the
with-profits funds and ensures that the Board's ability to exercise
discretion is subject to appropriate scrutiny and challenge".[196]
The WPC had an independent majority, with three independent members
(including Sir Nicholas), and two officers of Norwich Union, the
Marketing Director and the Director of Risk and Governance. The
WPC met eight times between its inauguration in July 2007 and
March 2008. In total, the time commitment for Sir Nicholas amounted
to 35-40 days over 10 months. The other independent members had
a time commitment of around 20 days over 10 months. The WPC was
assisted by internal staff support (amounting to 25% of the time
of one actuary, who acted as the WPC's secretariat, and a member
of the firm's legal staff who took minutes at meetings of the
WPC) and a group of independent advisers. The Norwich Union With-Profits
Actuary was "heavily involved, both at and in between meetings,
providing the main technical link to the committee and, with the
head of the secretariat taking the lead in pre-meeting briefings".[197]
94. The Norwich Union WPC reports to the board,
who ultimately make all decisions.[198]
Mr Hodges, said the WPC did not make "recommendations"
to the board, but "express views which we [the Board] would
be well advised to take strongly into account".[199]
Mr Lister added that "if the board chooses not to take the
advice of the With-Profits Committee then the With-Profits Committee
can go to the FSA".[200]
95. Mr Prettejohn believed that Prudential's
WPC managed the potential conflict of interest between shareholders
and policyholders "very well". Contributing to this
stated success of this WPC was the fact that all three members
of Prudential's WPC were independent, with two of the members
being qualified actuaries. Mr Prettejohn said that his firm's
WPC provided "a very robust and detailed critique of the
decisions that potentially affect the interests of policyholders
versus shareholders".[201]
96. Mr Vicary-Smith did not share the industry's
praise for the performance of WPCs. He wanted to see WPCs "turned
from poodles into rottweilers", but in order for them to
have teeth, they would need to be appointed by policyholders rather
than the company; they would need to have a responsibility to
act in the interests of the policyholders; and companies would
have to be obliged to listen to, and act upon, the WPC's challenges.[202]
Ms Spottiswoode added to Which?'s wish list the need for transparency,
"because it is the only way in which you can be shown to
be undertaking your duties on behalf of policyholders". She
supported Which?'s suggestion of giving a WPC a very clear duty
to look after the interests of policyholders and no other.[203]
She noted that when her role as policyholder advocate came to
an end (once reattribution negotiations had concluded), there
would be "nobody who is looking after [Norwich Union's] policyholders'
interests directly".[204]
If the Norwich Union WPC were to take on her mantle, she argued,
it would need greater support from independent advisers:
We [the Office of the Policyholder Advocate]
have been working on [the reattribution] solidly for over two
years
nearly full time. It is difficult for us to get to
grips with it. How you do it on a part-time basis, on monthly
or quarterly visits to the company, I just do not know. They have
to be well supported.[205]
97. The Financial Services Consumer Panel (FSCP)
voiced several concerns about WPCs in a recent report, including
a perceived lack of independence from the boards of their companies
in the case of many WPCs. The FSCP's research found that, while
some companies had moved towards a genuinely independent model,
60% of funds had a WPC that was not independent. In some cases
the WPC was a sub-committee of the main board, while in others
WPC members consisted of current directors, former directors and
non-executive directors.[206]
The FSCP believed that the independence of the WPCs should be
strengthened to enable them to provide a public and regulatory
'window' on the firm's use of policyholder capital. The primary
purpose of a WPC, in the FSCP's view, would be to ensure that
the financial management of the fund, including the inherited
estate, was in the best interests of policyholders and to achieve
this clear objective the WPC would require independence from the
firm's board.[207]
Such a revised role for WPCs could be strengthened, in the FSCP's
view, by an FSA-established 'knowledge and guidance centre' for
WPC members, and increased visibility of WPCs through, for example,
a dedicated website linked to the company's website.[208]
98. The FSCP suggested further that the remit
of WPCs be expanded to include a specific requirement to explicitly
consider the FSA's principle of treating customers fairly.[209]
At present, WPCs assess management decisions against the firm's
PPFM. Whether or not such assessments alone would satisfy the
firm's requirement to treat customers fairly would depend on the
extent to which the PPFM itself complied. The FSCP's proposals
might mean that the WPC could report on the company's use of capital
in relation to its opinion of both the PPFM and the explicit requirement
to treat customers fairly, setting out any discrepancies between
the two.[210]
99. Ms Wilson said that the FSA had put in place
a robust system "if operated properly". Whilst disputing
the figures produced by the FSCP on the proportion of WPCs that
were independent, she conceded that the FSA's own research had
found examples of firms that lacked adequate independent input,
as well as examples where WPCs were insufficiently consulted by
management in a timely way. The FSA had "made it abundantly
clear that that is unacceptable and we have seen some changes
as a result".[211]
The FSA's view was that independence of WPCs was critical, and
they were "very much looking" for the development of
effective WPCs that could provide appropriate advice, input and
challenge.[212] Mr
Sants agreed that improvements needed to be made.[213]
100. We welcome the advent of With-Profits Committees
and believe that they have the potential to fulfil a very important
role in protecting policyholder interests in with-profits funds.
In too many firms though, With-Profits Committees are insufficiently
independent of the firm's board to provide any reassurance that
they are vigorously protecting and promoting the interests of
policyholders. We expect the Financial Services Authority to accelerate
its work in enforcing its requirements for independence of such
committees. We are also concerned that With-Profits Committees
are inadequately resourced. Norwich Union's policyholder advocate
and her team have spent two years analysing just one part of with-profits
funds on an almost full-time basis. In the context of strong potential
conflicts of interest on the part of a firm's management, policyholders'
interests need defending at all times, not just in the run-up
to a potential reattribution. But we do not see how a part-time
With-Profits Committee with staff support of one or two individuals
can truly master the complexities of with-profits funds. We
recommend that the Financial Services Authority require companies
to provide an appropriate level of support for policyholders'
interests to be protected by With-Profits Committees.
101. We see a good deal of merit in the proposal
that With-Profits Committees consider the principle of Treating
Customers Fairly as well as checking the firm's compliance with
its own Principles and Policies of Financial Management. It is
important that With-Profits Committees have such a strong, clear
commitment to protecting and promoting policyholder interests,
so the Financial Services Authority should consider consulting
on whether such a role should be granted to With-Profits Committees.
Efforts must also be made by firms to raise the visibility of
With-Profits Committees, to reassure policyholders that their
interests are being represented and protected. This could mean,
for example, With-Profits Committees having their own dedicated
website, linked to the relevant firm. We will continue to monitor
the performance of With-Profits Committees during our ongoing
scrutiny of the Financial Services Authority.
The Financial Services Authority
102. Mr Sants said that the FSA had an obligation,
which it took very seriously, to make sure that policyholders
were given a fair deal and their interests looked after.[214]
Mr Sants thought that "It seems to me we have a good framework
to which we are now seeking to deliver specifics to enable a balanced
judgment in the round which is fair to be reached".[215]
103. The uses of inherited estate discussed in
Chapter 3 have highlighted the large degree of disagreement over
those uses that are appropriate. Inappropriate use of inherited
estate is important because, by reducing the size of the inherited
estate, policyholders' expectations of special distributions fall.
A common refrain from policyholders, policyholder advocates and
Which? is that the management of life firms enjoy too much discretion
over the day-to-day running of with-profits funds. Where a firm
is opposed by a vocal policyholder representative, common ground
on the uses of the inherited estate seems hard to find. At this
point, the FSA is obliged to step in and provide guidance.
104. Ms Spottiswoode suggested that the issues
surrounding the inherited estate would be greatly simplified if
the FSA were to adopt two general principles. The first would
require that an inherited estate was subject to the same discipline
as the rest of the with-profits fund. The second would require
the firm to treat policyholder capital the same as shareholder
capital. Such a general principle would preclude, she contended,
the use of inherited estates in ways that favoured shareholders'
interests over the interests of policyholders:[216]
The whole thing would be transformed if we just
had those general principle-based regulations because what that
would do is change the nature of the negotiation. I had no idea
that all this quite weird and wonderful regulation existed in
with-profits.[217]
She struggled to see any logic in permitting uses
of the inherited estate which were disallowed with other parts
of with-profits funds:
If certain costs are not allowed by the FSA to
be charged to policyholders' asset shares, then they should not
be able to be charged to inherited estates. An inappropriate charge
to asset shares could be expected to have a detrimental effect
on policyholders' reversionary (annual) or terminal (final) bonuses.
A charge to the inherited estate will have a similar outcome,
in that it could reduce the value of policyholders' special bonuses
from distribution of the inherited estate. It is difficult to
see how different uses of the inherited estates, as compared to
the remainder of the with-profits funds, can be justified.[218]
105. Ms Spottiswoode argued that, if these two
basic principle were in place, "you would have a very clear
litmus test for every decision that was made and, because it would
be so clear, the companies would be clear, the FSA would be clear,
[and] the policyholders would have more confidence that actually
their interests were being looked after".[219]
106. Sir Alan Budd and Sir Bryan Carsberg were
keen proponents of such a system. Such principles, they argued,
would prevent undue discrimination both between groups of policyholders
and between policyholders and shareholders:
If the regulatory regime was to establish clearly,
by way of such a general principle, that shareholders were not
able to benefit from inappropriate uses of an inherited estate
(uses that had detrimental effects on policyholders) then a firm's
incentives in relation to the making of distributions would also
be more correctly aligned. This is because, in these circumstances,
a firm would have less reason to under-estimate the potential
of or postpone the possibility of distributions. In the absence
of more profitable alternatives (that is, the use of the inherited
estate to give undue preference to shareholders), it would be
in shareholders` interests to make calculations about possible
distributions as accurately as possible. Such a principle would
also better facilitate competition between with-profits insurers
with or without inherited estates, since shareholders would no
longer be able to use funds that would otherwise be distributed
90:10 to subsidise new with-profits business.[220]
The Financial Services Consumer Panel suggested that,
in light of the concerns encountered in its research, firms' use
of policyholder capital be reviewed more widely in an open debate.[221]
107. When we put Ms Spottiswoode's suggestion
to the FSA, Ms Wilson answered:
There is a very clear framework within our rules
now about the handling of the funds within an inherited estate
and they are either the working capital or they are an excess,
Whatever they are, it is absolutely clear within our framework that policyholders have an interest in that, they have a contingent claim over it and there are big restrictions on what the shareholders may use those funds for and generally they may only be used in the interests of policyholders. It is quite clear the way our framework
works and I think going forward we have a basis based on the consulted
new approach which gives that.[222]
108. Mr Sants summed up the FSA's objectives
regarding with-profits investment products:
We are trying to deliver a fair deal for the
policyholders but we also have a principle of saying that this
is a credible and worthwhile investment product that should remain
in the savings market. We do not think it is a good result for
the marketplace, for the consumers as a whole, the UK, if this
product disappears.[223]
109. Despite changes made by the Financial
Services Authority to the regulation of the with-profits sector
earlier this decade, we still have serious concerns about the
extent of disagreement between stakeholders across many issues
in with-profits funds. We are not satisfied that the Financial
Services Authority has done enough to provide a robust framework
based on strong principles against which decisions can be made
and performance assessed. Issues raised by the special distribution
and ongoing reattribution of the Norwich Union with-profits fund
have highlighted the inadequacy of the regulatory regime. Rather
than developing clear principles for the regulation of inherited
estate, the Financial Services Authority has become embroiled
in making judgements "in the round" and micro-regulation
of particular firms' situations, including providing ad-hoc guidance
in the middle of a reattribution negotiation. In the case of the
charging of shareholder tax to inherited estate, different rules
apply to different firms, providing yet more complexity. This
approach seems a long way from the philosophy of 'principles-based
regulation' to which the Financial Services Authority aspires.
Whilst we accept that the with-profits sector is a complex business,
all stakeholders in with-profits funds deserve a framework which
provides as much simplicity, certainty and clarity as possible.
If the Financial Services Authority believes that with-profits
is just too inherently complex for such a regulatory panacea to
be achieved, it must make a strong rationale for its support for
the continuation of with-profits investment products in the marketplace.
We would welcome a reopening of the debate about the overall regulatory
system for with-profits funds and, to this end, recommend that
the Financial Services Authority consult on such a redesign during
2008. We will closely monitor the Financial Services Authority's
progress towards improving its regulation of the with-profits
sector and will return to this issue.
182 Qq 154-155 Back
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Q 5 Back
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Ev 99 Back
186
Q 196 Back
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188
Ev 45 Back
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Norwich Union, CGNU/CULAC PPF: Summary of Change, Norwich
Union product literature, April 2004, available at http://www.adviser.norwichunion.com/
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Ev 48 Back
191
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193
Ev 146 Back
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Ev 81 Back
195
Ibid. Back
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Ev 84 Back
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Ev 151 Back
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199
Q 163 Back
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Q 266 Back
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Q 276 Back
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Q 34 Back
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204
Q 86 Back
205
Ibid. Back
206
Ev 145 Back
207
Ibid. Back
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Ev 146 Back
209
Ibid. Back
210
Ibid. Back
211
Q 136 Back
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Q 137 Back
213
Q 138 Back
214
Q 90 Back
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Q 95 Back
216
Ev 57; Qq 44, 53, 56, 64 Back
217
Q 85 Back
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Ev 59 Back
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Q 61 Back
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Ev 63 Back
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Ev 144 Back
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Q 131 Back
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Q 95 Back