Speed of negotiations
83. Norwich Union proposed a reattribution of
its CGNU and CULAC funds in November 2006, and negotiations are
still ongoing. Ms Spottiswoode explained that there were two reasons,
running in tandem, for the process taking so long: problems with
the data, and the need to seek clarification from the FSA about
policyholders' rights. She explained that:
It took until December to get the data and the
modelling to a position that we could all have confidence in.
We thought we were there a lot earlier, but actually we found
very big mistakes in the data because we had our own model. We
were running different data and we were trying to work out why
our data was showing different things and again and again we found
really big problems in the Norwich Union models and their data.
A lot of time has been spent having to sort out that. It was not
until December that both Norwich Union and we felt we had data
that we could rely on for this deal.[175]
Mr Hodges agreed that the Norwich Union reattribution
negotiation had been a very complex issue, saying that there had
been an "enormous amount of information" flowing between
Norwich Union and Ms Spottiswoode's office.[176]
Mr Hodges also referred to data issues which had prolonged the
negotiations:
We have been delivering data literally by the
truckload most of the way through 2007. In those truckloads of
data there was no doubt that there were one or two elements that
we were then subsequently able to spot that were inaccurate, but
that was really in the minority. The other issue that has been
going on is Clare has been building her own modelling capability
and her ability to assess the offers that we have made her, and
all of those things together have just taken longer than we expected.[177]
84. Ms Spottiswoode also explained that at various
stages in the negotiations, she had had to seek clarification
from the FSA about the rights of policyholders. The seeking of
clarification had run in tandem with the data problems:
Alongside that, clearly we have been trying to
clarify what policyholders' rights are and that has taken time.
In some senses the two were going along in parallel and neither
stopped the other because they both come together at the same
time.
She said that a reattribution "is a long process
because it is complicated and detailed" and that policyholders
should not be surprised if it took a long time. She admitted to
her frustration that it had not been done faster, but said "you
have to do the job right. This is too important not to do right."[178]
85. Norwich Union made the following suggestions
for improving the negotiation process for future reattributions:
- A timetable must be agreed and stuck to by both
parties to avoid negotiations becoming open ended and unnecessarily
protracted.
- The FSA must be able to intercede and act as
a final arbiter on points of dispute.
- Firms must be free to set rigorous terms of reference.[179]
Ms Spottiswoode disagreed with the idea of having
a fixed timetable for the negotiations. She argued that if negotiations
had had to proceed based on the data as it was in August 2007,
those negotiations would have resulted in a deal that would have
been "very, very substantially wrong, by many hundreds of
millions". Taking time to make sure that the data and modelling
was accurate was an essential element of fair negotiations.[180]
Mr Sants thought that there would be "some lessons to be
learned about data availability and issues around that which the
companies will have to take on board" from the experience
of the Norwich Union reattribution, and suggested that the FSA
would "try to facilitate a lessons learned exercise".[181]
86. Given the complexities involved in with-profits
funds, and the widely differing views from various stakeholders
about what might constitute a fair offer to policyholders, reattribution
negotiations may be expected to take a long time. We do not believe
that the Financial Services Authority should impose a rigid timetable
for any future reattributions, or permit companies to do so, because
the most important outcome is that an appropriate offer should
be made.
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