Defra's view
91. We were concerned by the evidence we had received
about the impact of Defra's policy changes and budget cuts, not
just upon individual RCIs but upon the national scientific capacities
they represent. It seemed to us that the relationship between
Defra and the BBSRC institutes in particular raised vital questions
about the current and future role of RCIs within the UK science
base and also about who was responsible for ensuring that the
capacity was there to meet Government demands for research and
emergency responses. In its written evidence Defra stated categorically
that it is
"committed to having [the RCIs'] laboratory
capability to ensure provision of the evidence needed to underpin
the development and delivery of policy and in the case of emergencies.
It is important for the Government to invest in RCIs because the
open market is not able to supply all Government's needs. This
happens for a number of reasons: the R&D is commercially unattractive;
the science requires high levels of physical or biological security;
the availability of capacity to respond to emergency situations
needs to be guaranteed; the need to ensure that particular scientific
services will be available in the future."[234]
92. We put some of these questions to the Minster
of State for Sustainable Farming and Food, Rt Hon Lord Rooker,
and Professor Dalton, Chief Scientific Adviser at Defra. Their
defence was robustly conducted and we found it worryingly difficult
to get either Minister or scientist to take responsibility for
either the RCIs or the scientific capacity they represent. On
funding, the Minister repeatedly claimed that "we have made
no cuts in any of our programme to the research institutes".[235]
While it is true that funding for ongoing programmes has been
deferred, rather than cut, as a result of the immediate situation
with the moratorium on spending, this is missing the point that
the ongoing trend is for Defra's funding for the RCIs to be reduced,
and reduced without adequate notice. The Minister argued that
"you cannot claim that that is a cut" when a time-limited
contract comes to an end and that "there is usually a time
limit" on the contracts with the RCIs.[236]
The Chief Scientific Adviser also referred to the part played
by short-term contracts in changing the amount of funding from
Defra to an RCI, comparing them to universities:
"BBSRC themselves fund universities, as indeed
do we, and they fund universities on very many short-term contracts,
as do we, and universities have learnt to adapt to that environment.
They have learnt to say, 'Okay, we have a three-year research
contract, so we plan for that and we work towards it', as indeed
do the research institutes, as indeed also do our own agencies
in some cases."[237]
We believe that this attitude shows
a fundamental lack of comprehension of the role of RCIs as represented
by the OSI and the rest of the science community. As we have repeatedly
observed, it is the stable long-term funding which allows RCIs
to achieve their potential and keep focussed on their missions.
It is deeply disturbing that such a key player as Defra fails
to perceive this and believes that the RCIs should be identical
to universities in terms of their long-term planning.
93. This issue is important because it is directly
linked to whether Defra is prepared to take up its responsibilities
under RIPSS for the sustainability of the RCIs. It appears that
the answer is no. Lord Rooker told us that Defra was "the
customer" only of the RCIs and that "we need them there
and if one of them was not there, we would find someone else to
do the work we want to do".[238]
It is not clear to us who this "someone" would be in
many cases. When we put it to the Minister that the RCIs might
be the only source of capacity in the UK, he responded: "the
implication of that is that nothing changes, that if you start
a programme to set up any institute and whatever your circumstances
are that might change your priorities in the future, you are bound
to continue with what you have been doing. I do not think that
is living in the real world."[239]
Again, when we asked about the particular case of ring-fencing
datasets, Lord Rooker refused to countenance the idea, although
he agreed with Professor Dalton that they would fund such long-term
science "providing it is not seen as though we are a milch
cow for the infrastructure payments in terms of core funding irrelevant
to the research".[240]
In view of this, it is perhaps not surprising that Professor Dalton
implied that redundancies as a result of the department's moratorium
could be staved off by the ability of the institute directors
to "use their core strategic grant in order to be able to
support the infrastructure that is necessary in order to continue
the research ethos that they have".[241]
The institute directors see this as a measure of desperation,
rather a useful tool for buying time for the department.
94. We were a little more reassured to hear Professor
Dalton's explanation that:
"It is clearly and simply whether or not we
should be funding and putting money in in the way the research
councils put money into their own research institutes as a core
strategic grant or not. We cannot do that. We do not have that
flexibility. We are prepared to fund the research councils long-term
so long as they deliver the sort of science that we want and,
as long as they keep doing that, and in many cases they do, we
will continue funding them."[242]
However, this illustrates the difficulties that BBSRC
and Defra have in agreeing over the RIPSS agenda. Professor Dalton
told us that "the relationships are pretty good" between
BBSRC and himself, with many points of interaction and co-ordination
but that "There is one little, tiny sticking point
this belief that the research councils and BBSRC have that we
have a sort of long-term obligation to put money into their pot
which they are allowed to use in any way they like".[243]
The way forward
95. We accept that Government departments have the
right, indeed the duty, to review and redirect their activities,
including their scientific strategies, in order best to meet current
and future policy needs. We are also well aware that many of the
problems which are arising now and have arisen in the recent past
have been the direct result of pressures on the scientific budget
at Defra which has not increased at the same rate as the budget
given to BBSRC or the other Research Councils. We also recognise
that the relationship with the RCIs is one which Defra has inherited
from a previous era and which it is now trying to adapt to fit
in with its new priorities, new financial constraints such as
Full Economic Costing and new standards of practice under RIPSS.
Nevertheless, we are struck by the discord between the recognition
of the strengths and importance of the RCIs to the department
in Defra's written submission and the more dismissive attitude
expressed by the Minister in particular who showed little appreciation
in oral evidence of how the RCI support the work of the department.
It may be that, contrary to what has been suggested to us, Defra
could meet all its scientific and strategic needs without recourse
to the RCIs. It would seem a sensible risk assessment exercise
to test this. We
recommend that Defra catalogue all the science programmes and
infrastructure made available to it by RCIs, both on a regular
basis and in emergencies, and clarify how this capacity need could
be met from elsewhere in each case.
In the meantime, we
recommend that Defra review its processes for giving adequate
notice to RCIs of changes in policy requirements and thus in research
contracts. We recommend that this be done as part of a three to
five year strategy to allow institutes and the BBSRC to plan their
response and to ensure that the RCIs are able to supply the science
that Defra needs.
96. We have made recommendations earlier on ensuring
the continued funding of nationally-important long-term datasets
and monitoring work, and on ring-fencing science budgets within
departments to protect research programmes from short-term cutbacks.
These conclusions apply to Defra at least as much as to any other
department. Here, though, the interdependence of the RCIs and
Defra make it particularly important that it is clear who is going
to pay for infrastructure and programmes maintained by RCIs for
national policy purposes. Part of the solution to this lies in
ensuring that Defra has the money to pay for the science it needs,
but the more contentious part lies in persuading the department
that it is Defra's responsibility to fund such basic facilities
and capabilities. Here, the RIPSS agenda is potentially of vital
importance. We see no clear way forward through the public positions
of the two parties on this issue but we hope that the private
negotiations will prove more fruitful. We agree with Professor
Sir Keith O'Nions that "the issue is too important not to
resolve".[244]
We recommend that Defra make
it an absolute priority to reach agreement with BBSRC on the implementation
of RIPSS and to report back to the Committee by the time of the
Government's response to this Report on the steps they have taken
to secure agreement.
97. The suggestion was raised in the course of this
inquiry that given the fraught nature of the relationship between
Defra, the BBSRC and its institutes, it would be better to consider
some mechanism whereby Government funding was channelled entirely
through the BBSRC. This would have the advantage of stability
of funding and of ensuring that there was only one external master
dictating strategy. It would also free the RCIs from the effects
of Defra delays and rapid changes of policy direction. On the
whole, witnesses on both sides were against such a change. Professor
Crute of Rothamsted Research, for example, told us that:
"I personally see advantage in the government
department involvement because they have different perspectives
on science. The Research Councils are there with a particular
agenda for looking after the quality of science in an international
perspective with, you might say, very much a quasi-academic role.
The government department has, as you have said, a policy direction.
It also has an industry to which it is, in some senses, attempting
to deliver science information. I think that perspective is important."[245]
Professor Dalton also counselled against such a move,
saying that it was not "necessarily the right approach to
have all their core funding from BBSRC".[246]
There clearly
is value in having direct interaction between a government department
and the RCI sector and we look to Defra to put its relationship
with the RCIs on a proper footing in order that the full benefit
of this linkage may be realised.
186 Ev 85 Back
187
Ev 170 Back
188
Ev 171 Back
189
Ev 170 Back
190
Ibid Back
191
Ev 119 Back
192
Ev 120 Back
193
Office of Science and Innovation, Research Council Institutes,
surveys, centres and units, a review of issues, Gavin Costigan,
January 2006, http://www.dti.gov.uk/files/file27331.pdf, 10.3 Back
194
Office of Science and Innovation, Research Council Institutes,
surveys, centres and units, a review of issues, Gavin Costigan,
January 2006, http://www.dti.gov.uk/files/file27331.pdf, 10.3 Back
195
Ev 171 Back
196
Ev 179 Back
197
Ev 169-70 Back
198
Ev 176 Back
199
Second Report from the Environment Food and Rural Affairs Committee,
Session 2006-07, Defra's Departmental Report 2006 and Defra's
budget, HC 132 Back
200
Ev 171 Back
201
Ibid Back
202
Ibid Back
203
Ev 163 Back
204
Ev 121 Back
205
Ibid Back
206
Ev 100-1 Back
207
Ev 101 Back
208
Ev 179-80 Back
209
Ibid Back
210
Ibid Back
211
Ibid Back
212
Ev 180 Back
213
Q 159 Back
214
Ibid Back
215
Ev 191 Back
216
Ibid Back
217
Ibid Back
218
Ev 192 Back
219
Q 159 Back
220
Q 159 Back
221
Office of Science and Innovation, Research Council Institutes,
surveys, centres and units, a review of issues, Gavin Costigan,
January 2006, http://www.dti.gov.uk/files/file27331.pdf, 10.7 Back
222
Ev 172 Back
223
Ibid Back
224
Ev 176 Back
225
Ev 164 Back
226
OSI: Science Review of the Department for Environment, Food and
Rural Affairs, 2006, recommendation 14 Back
227
Ibid, recommendation 14 Back
228
Ibid, summary para 4.12 Back
229
Q 422 Back
230
Q 453 Back
231
Research Fortnight, 27 September 2006 Back
232
Q 70 Back
233
Q 76 Back
234
Ev 93 Back
235
Q 172 Back
236
Q 192 Back
237
Q 177 Back
238
Q 174 Back
239
Q 175 Back
240
Q 185 Back
241
Q 201 Back
242
Q 211 Back
243
Q 208 Back
244
Q 422 Back
245
Q 163 Back
246
Q 177 Back