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The Committee consisted of the following Members:Emily
Commander, Committee
Clerk
attended the Committee
Public Bill CommitteeThursday 5 July 2007(Afternoon)[Mr. Joe Benton in the Chair]Serious Crime Bill [Lords]Clause 65Penalty
and prosecution for offence under section
64
Amendment
moved [this day]: No. 178, in
clause 65, page 36, line 6, leave
out two and insert
four.[James
Brokenshire.]
2
pm
James
Brokenshire (Hornchurch) (Con): When we adjourned, I was
halfway through explaining that amendment No. 178 was tabled on the
assumption that we will ultimately reach a resolution on the matters
that we were discussing. The amendment is reasonably straightforward
and sets out the Committees clear intention on how data
protection issues will be addressed and the seriousness with which they
are treated. I need say no
more.
The
Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Home Department
(Mr. Vernon Coaker):
Good afternoon,
Mr. Benton. It is good to see you chairing our Committee
again.
I ask the
Committee to resist the amendment, which would increase the penalties
in clause 65 for the clause 64 offence of
making
certain further
disclosures of
information.
The
existing maximum penalty of a two-year custodial sentence would be
increased to four
years.
Clauses 64 and
65 were included in the Bill in recognition of the fact that a specific
additional safeguard is needed to protect against improper onward
disclosure of Her Majestys Revenue and Customs information.
That is to conform with the safeguards attached to HMRC information in
other circumstances. Clause 64 allows for the same additional
safeguards to be applied by order to public authorities
information. I hope that it is evident that the penalty in clause 65
applies in a very narrow set of circumstances relating to wrongful
onward disclosure of information shared by public authorities through a
specified anti-fraud organisation. Currently, that applies only to HMRC
information.
The
maximum penalty of two years imprisonment is consistent with
the maximum penalty for all other comparable data-sharing
offencesfor example, under section 19 of the Commissioners for
Revenue and Customs Act 2005 and section 10 of the Official Secrets Act
1989. In addition, the Government have proposed an amendment to the
Data Protection Act 1998 to include a maximum custodial penalty of two
years for the offence of unlawfully obtaining personal
data under section 55 of that Act; the measure is in the recently
published Criminal Justice and Immigration Bill. The Government do not
accept the case for doubling the penalty in the limited circumstances
of clause
64.
James
Brokenshire:
I hear what the Minister says. The amendment
is in some ways different from the measures that he has highlighted. We
tabled the amendment to make clear our view that the offence must be
treated seriously, and to provide confidence in the way in which the
system will operate. I do not intend to press the amendment to a
Division; the point of tabling it was to set out for the Committee that
breaches of data protection rules and the rules in clause 64 will be
treated seriously and punished
accordingly.
James
Brokenshire:
I welcome that assurance from the Minister
because it is important that that message is sent out. I know that the
Information Commissioner has made representations to the Home Office
and other parts of the Government to emphasise that, and that responses
have recently been given in relation to the issue, as the Minister
mentioned.
In the
light of what the Minister has said, and the changes that have taken
place, I beg to ask leave to withdraw the
amendment.
Amendment,
by leave
withdrawn.
Clause
65 ordered to stand part of the
Bill.
Clause 66Data
protection
rujles
Question
proposed, That the clause stand part of the
Bill.
James
Brokenshire:
The clause would insert additional wording in
schedule 3 to the Data Protection Act 1998. The disclosure of sensitive
information will be permitted if it is processed for the purpose of
disclosure to an anti-fraud organisation of the kind that we debated
this morning, or is processed by that person after being so
disclosedin other words, if it is then processed thereon. The
question is: why is the clause needed? The list of sensitive personal
data that are covered is broad in ambit, and it goes much further than
might be perceived necessary for a simple anti-fraud purpose. It has
provoked some concerns among various groups. Libertys briefing
note says:
We
fear that this provision might instead be included because it would be
too difficult in practice to separate out this kind of sensitive
information from non-sensitive information which is contained in a
single source of data that would be shared under these
proposals.
It
adds:
Administrative
convenience is not a sufficient justification for the mass sharing of
sensitive
data.
The
Minister may say that the provision is required, and that it is an
essential element in the fight against crime. However, it is wide
ranging, and he must provide
a justification for it, an assurance that it is not based on the
administrative convenience that Liberty has highlighted, and a clearer
understanding of the provisions necessity, so that we might
consider it accordingly.
Mr.
Coaker:
The clause inserts a new paragraph in schedule 3
to the Data Protection Act 1998 to facilitate the sharing of sensitive
personal data, as the hon. Member for Hornchurch says, for the purpose
of preventing fraud. The first data protection principle prohibits the
processing of sensitive personal data, unless one of the conditions in
schedule 3 to the Act is met. For example, paragraphs 7(1)(b) and
7(1)(c) of schedule 3 state that processing is
necessary
for the
exercise of any functions conferred on any person by or under an
enactment, or for the exercise of any functions of the Crown, a
Minister of the Crown or a government
department.
The
Secretary of State may by order add further conditions under schedule
3.
Although many
public bodies will be able to rely on one of the current conditions in
or applied under schedule 3, it is unlikely that the existing
conditions would cover all cases of data sharing to prevent fraud.
Therefore, the clause provides an additional condition that is tailored
to anti-fraud data sharing and will facilitate such data sharing. It
does not decrease the threshold of data protection which applies under
the Data Protection Act.
I must stress that the
provision is not a move to overturn the Data Protection Act or the
principles that form its basis. The clause will not remove the need for
data controllers either to comply with the data protection principles
or to satisfy the conditions for an exemption from them, such as the
exemption for crime prevention. The clause simply helps data
controllers to comply with the additional requirement of the Act which
relates to sensitive personal data when information is shared to
prevent fraud. Although many bodies would already be able to comply
with one of the existing conditions for sharing such information, the
clause provides consistency throughout the full range of bodies that
will share the information.
Section 2 of
the Data Protection Act defines sensitive personal data; the definition
includes information about political opinions, religious beliefs and
racial origins of the data subject. It also includes information about
the commission or alleged commission by the data subject of any
offence. That part of the definition is relevant in this context. The
definition also includes criminal proceedings for any offence committed
or alleged to have been committed by the data subject. Again, that part
of the definition is of obvious relevance in the context of the
disclosure of information for the prevention of fraud. However, it is
also possible that in disclosing information relating to offences or
suspected offences, other sensitive personal data are necessarily
disclosed. For example, information that a person was suspected of
claiming sickness benefit for longer than he was entitled has the
effect of disclosing information about his physical health, namely that
he was initially entitled to such benefit. Physical or mental health or
condition is also included in the definition of sensitive personal
data.
Although many
of the disclosures to an anti-fraud organisation will be covered by one
or another of the existing conditions, not all will. That is why we are
bringing forward the additional conditions. Under clause 66, all the
information that is disclosed would have to be necessary for the
prevention of fraud. In addition, the body sharing the information
would have to do so either as a member of an anti-fraud organisation or
in accordance with the arrangements made by such an organisation, so
that data sharing will be subject to the rules of the anti-fraud
organisation.
Furthermore,
individuals will be informed that their data may be shared for the
purpose of fraud prevention at the point that they provide the data.
Individuals will be able to require the Information Commissioner to
assess whether their data are being processed in compliance with the
Data Protection Act. The commissioner may also investigate whether the
data controller is complying with the Act on his own initiative. He
will also be able to investigate using his normal powers and, where
appropriate, he will be able to use an enforcement notice to require
the data controller to take steps to comply with the Data Protection
Act. With that explanation, I hope that the Committee will allow clause
66 to stand part of the
Bill.
James
Brokenshire:
I am grateful to the Minister for that
detailed explanation of the need for clause 66. What he said has been
helpful in setting out the context, and the reasons and rationale of
why this measure would be needed practically, and he has also addressed
the concerns that have been highlighted elsewhere. I am grateful to the
Minister for that explanation.
Question put and agreed
to.
Clause 66
ordered to stand part of the
Bill.
Clause 67
ordered to stand part of the
Bill.
Schedule 7Data
matching
Amendment
made: No. 148, in schedule 7, page 73, line 32, leave out from
beginning to end of line 34 and
insert
(iv) a body to
which Article 90 of the Health and Personal Social Services (Northern
Ireland) Order 1972 (S.I. 1972/1265 (N.I. 14))
applies;.[Mr.
Coaker.]
Mr.
Jeremy Browne (Taunton) (LD): I beg to move amendment No.
14, in schedule 7, page 75, line 11, leave out keep
under.
The
Chairman:
With this it will be convenient to discuss the
following amendments: No. 15, in
schedule 7, page 75, line 11, after
review, insert on an annual
basis.
No. 13,
in
schedule 7, page 75, line 24, at
end insert
(5) No
information may be disclosed under Section 63 of the Serious Crime Act
2007 before the publication by the Commission of the
code..
No.
241, in
schedule 7, page 75, line 24, at
end insert
(5) The code
shall not have effect until a draft has been laid before, and approved
by a resolution of, both Houses of
Parliament..
Mr.
Browne:
I am grateful to you, Mr. Benton, for
giving me an opportunity to speak briefly about these amendments Nos.
14, 15 and 13, which stand in my name. During our proceedings this
morning, we had a detailed conversation about clause 63; there is a lot
of overlap and cross-over into the schedule, so I do not intend to
repeat the points that I and others raised previously. However, I shall
explain, for the benefit of members of the Committee the purpose of the
amendments and the thinking behind
them.
Amendments
Nos. 14 and 15 would provide for an annual review of the code for data
matching. My concern is that the time scales are too flexible and are
insufficiently specific. The amendments, which amend the same sentence
but reorder the wording, are designed to provide for an annual review.
Amendment No. 13 relates to the point that I was discussing, along with
others, with the right hon. and learned Member for Sleaford and North
Hykeham, this morning. The amendment would require the code on data
matching to be published before any information could be disclosed. I
take the point that the right hon. and learned Gentleman made that,
although that requirement would be more onerous than what is currently
in the Bill, it would be better still to accept amendment No. 241
because that would provide for approval by Parliament.
My intention, subject to other
contributions during the discussion on the schedule, is to press
amendments Nos. 14 and 15 to a vote, because they address a specific
different point about time scales, but not to press amendment No. 13 to
a vote. I would be minded to support amendment No. 241 if that were
pressed to a vote by other hon.
Members.
Mr.
Geoffrey Cox (Torridge and West Devon) (Con): I wonder if
the hon. Gentleman might think about the expression on an
annual basis. As I understand it, that means that the
Commission might to do it only every 12 months, whereas it might want
to look at the matter sooner if some event crops up. Should not the
wording be at least
annually?
2.15
pm
Mr.
Browne:
That is a good point. My thinking may have been
insufficiently demanding when I tabled the amendments and we may table
further amendments at a later stage. I share the hon. and learned
Gentlemans view that requirements should be in place to ensure
that the mechanisms are reviewed periodically in a way that is likely
to provide greater safeguards. I accept that he may not regard
annually in all circumstances as sufficient, but the
clause as drafted does not specify a time scale, so it could stretch
indefinitely into the future, which would be
unsatisfactory.
James
Brokenshire:
The schedule deals with data matching. I
welcome the additional changes in schedule 7, especially the insertion
of new section 32A(5) of the Audit Commission Act 1998, which
states:
A data
matching exercise may not be used to identify patterns and trends in an
individuals
characteristics.
The
Minister referred to that this morning. That is a welcome improvement
as it defines the contrast between
data matching and data mining, which was referred to at the start of our
previous debate, which is very
helpful.
However,
concern remains about whether we are being taken down another track. It
is important to keep the code of practice on data matching under
review. I say to the hon. Member for Taunton that the ambit of language
in proposed new section 32G(1) is already fairly broad; my
interpretation is that the code will be under constant review that may
be wider than the hon. Gentlemans amendments
propose.
I note that
the hon. Gentleman will not press amendment No. 13 to a Division. My
clear impression is that the clause refers to the data matching code
rather than to the data sharing code: the two need to be kept separate
as they are assessing different things. However, our argument that the
code needs parliamentary approval is still relevant for the purposes of
data sharing, which we debated this morning. We therefore tabled
amendment No. 241, which provides that the code on data
matching
shall not have
effect until a draft has been laid before, and approved by a resolution
of, both Houses of
Parliament.
We may have
rehearsed some of the arguments earlier, but I look forward to the
Ministers response to the amendments. It is important that
there is some assurance that not only has there been consultation with
the relevant persons, such as the Information Commissioner, but that
there will be external and parliamentary scrutiny of the
code.
As
parliamentarians, we want to be able to say that we are satisfied that
the code of practice provides the intended protections, so that the
concern we have highlighted about the ambit of data matching in respect
of the code of practice is adequately addressed. I will listen with
interest to the Ministers response to the amendment before
deciding whether to press it to a
Division.
Jeremy
Wright (Rugby and Kenilworth) (Con): I rise briefly to
support what my hon. Friend said about the amendment. I share his
reservations about the amendments tabled by the hon. Member for Taunton
as it is vital to have a code that can be amended as flexibly as
possibly to deal with what may be a fast-changing situation. I attended
a presentation by the National Fraud Initiative, which the Minister
kindly
arranged.
2.20
pm
Sitting
suspended for a Division in the
House.
2.35
pm
On
resuming
Mr.
Coaker:
I thank the hon. Member for Hornchurch for the
point that he made about proposed new section 32A(5) of the Audit
Commission Act 1998. We want to ensure that our approach is
conciliatory. I also thank the hon. and learned Member for Torridge and
West Devon, who rightly pointed out to the hon. Member for Taunton that
it is the flexibility to review the code that is important. That might
be done more than once a year.
The hon. Member for Taunton has
tabled two amendments that would have the cumulative effect of
requiring the Audit Commission to review its code of
data matching practice every year. To date, the national fraud
initiative has been carried out only every other year. The new
provisions already place a duty on the Audit Commission and other audit
bodies using the powers to keep the code of data matching under review.
In practice, that means that the code will be reviewed and updated
before each round of data matching occurs, in order to take account of
developments that have taken place over the previous two
years.
2.36
pm
Sitting
suspended for a Division in the House.
2.46
pm
On
resuming
Mr.
Coaker:
It is a bit like Wimbledon hereit is
difficult to maintain ones train of thought. We should have
some sympathy for the competitors there.
On the amendments tabled by the
hon. Member for Taunton, it does not follow that the code should
automatically be reviewed every two years; it might be appropriate for
it to be done more or less frequently. I think that that point has also
been made by other members of the Committee.
The amendment tabled by the
hon. Member for Arundel and South Downs (Nick Herbert), which was moved
by the hon. Member for Hornchurch, would prevent the code of data
matching from having effect until it was approved by both Houses of
Parliament. We debated some of those issues this morning, and my
contention is still the same in respect of the code of practice and the
data sharing principles. My objection to this amendment is the same as
my objection to the earlier one requiring the data sharing code to be
approved by both Houses of Parliament before it is published. The
Information Commissioner was specifically appointed to be the
independent regulator responsible for monitoring compliance with the
Data Protection Act. The Audit Commission will be required to consult
him when preparing or revising the code, and to send a copy of the code
to the Secretary of State, who will be under a duty to lay it before
Parliament.
Given the
arrangements that Parliament is in the process of putting in place, I
wonder whether it is necessary, or right, for it to involve itself in
approving the code. As I indicated earlier, such a step would duplicate
the functions entrusted to the Information Commissioner by Parliament
and encroach on his supervisory and regulatory remits. The Information
Commissioner answers to Parliament and can, if he wishes to do so,
report to the House if he is unhappy with the way in which powers are
being used.
As I said
earlier, if we ask Parliament to approve the code of practice, where
will that leave all the existing codes, which have not been approved?
The question follows, should Parliament be asked to approve all codes
of practice as they come up for renewal? I am not sure that that would
be an economic use of Parliaments valuable time. I hope that my
explanation has reassured the hon. Gentleman and that he will be
willing to withdraw the amendment.
James
Brokenshire:
We will reflect on the Ministers
comments on the ability of the Information Commissioner to report back
to Parliament on the code of practice, and on whether that gives this
place sufficient oversight to ensure that the protections that we would
like to have in the code are properly
maintained.
On the
basis of what the Minister has said, I do not wish to press amendment
No. 241 to the vote. The work of the Audit Commission on the national
fraud initiative has been very effective, and I recognise that the
powers are intended to bring that within a statutory framework. We
shall reflect on the Ministers reassurances, including those
about the Information Commissioner, and consider whether the issue
needs to be revisited on
Report.
Mr.
Browne:
In light of the comments from both sides of the
Committee room, I am not minded to press a vote on the
amendmentnot least because of the Ministers
reassurances. Although I am not averse to heroic one-man charges, I
have, like the right hon. and learned Member for Sleaford and North
Hykeham, no taste
for
Amendment,
by leave,
withdrawn.
Amendments
made: No. 149, in schedule 7, page 78, line 38, leave out from
beginning to end of line 40 and
insert
(iv) a body to
which Article 90 of the Health and Personal Social Services (Northern
Ireland) Order 1972 (S.I. 1972/1265 (N.I. 14))
applies;.
No.
150, in
schedule 7, page 84, line 25, leave
out from beginning to end of line 27 and
insert
(i) a body to which
Article 90 of the Health and Personal Social Services (Northern
Ireland) Order 1972 (NI 14) applies;.[Mr.
Coaker.]
Schedule
7, as amended, agreed
to.
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