The
Committee consisted of the following
Members:
Balls,
Ed (Economic Secretary to the
Treasury)
Brennan,
Kevin (Lord Commissioner of Her Majesty's
Treasury)
Burgon,
Colin (Elmet) (Lab)
Cable,
Dr. Vincent (Twickenham)
(LD) Field,
Mr. Frank (Birkenhead)
(Lab)
Flynn,
Paul (Newport, West)
(Lab)
Gibson,
Dr. Ian (Norwich, North)
(Lab) Goldsworthy,
Julia (Falmouth and Camborne)
(LD)
Hoban,
Mr. Mark (Fareham)
(Con)
Hoey,
Kate (Vauxhall)
(Lab)
Jones,
Mr. David (Clwyd, West)
(Con)
Love,
Mr. Andrew (Edmonton)
(Lab/Co-op)
Malins,
Mr. Humfrey (Woking)
(Con) Rifkind,
Sir Malcolm (Kensington and Chelsea)
(Con)
Selous,
Andrew (South-West Bedfordshire)
(Con)
Tami,
Mark (Alyn and Deeside)
(Lab)
Truswell,
Mr. Paul (Pudsey) (Lab) Mark
Etherton, Committee Clerk
attended the Committee Second
Standing Committee on Delegated
LegislationWednesday
12 July
2006[Mr.
John Cummings in the
Chair]Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Regulated Activities) (Amendment) Order 20062.30
pm
The
Economic Secretary to the Treasury (Ed Balls): I beg to
move, That the
Committee has considered the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000
(Regulated Activities) (Amendment) Order 2006 (S.I. 2006, No.
1969) It is a
privilege to serve under your chairmanship, Mr. Cummings, and a delight
to return to a room so soon after the end of the Committee stage of the
Finance (No.2) Bill with the hon. Members for Fareham (Mr. Hoban) and
for South-West Bedfordshire (Andrew Selous), who probably had the same
withdrawal symptoms I did.
The proposal makes the changes
needed to the Financial Services and Markets Act 2000 (Regulated
Activities) Order to introduce a new Financial Services Authority-
regulated activity related to pensions. The change relates specifically
to the regulation of personal pensions by the FSA. I shall give the
Committee a brief introduction and some background.
Between September and December
last year, we launched a formal consultation on the rules surrounding
personal pension scheme regulation. It needs to be seen in the context
of the broader changes we have been making to pension taxation and
regulation in the last few years with two Acts: the Finance Act 2004
introduced a unified and simplified tax regime for pension schemes,
which came into effect from 6 April 2006, or A-day; and the Pensions
Act 2004 introduced a new regulatory framework for occupational pension
schemes from April 2005. The order changes the rules surrounding
personal pension scheme regulation, which until that point had remained
largely untouched.
From
September to December last year, we consulted on four proposed options
with the document Proposed changes to the eligibility rules for
establishing a pension scheme, including a do
nothing option and a range of other options including relying
on existing permissions or making a temporary one-year amendment to the
Finance Act from April 2006 before introducing the changes proposed in
the order from April 2007. We fully considered all 25 responses and
published a formal response on 23 March, which set out the
industrys views in detail, and we announced the proposed policy
changenamely, that the Government should create a new regulated
activity, overseen by the FSA, relating to personal pensions from April
2007. I am pleased to say that the consultation showed overwhelming
support for
the changes, with three-quarters of respondents favouring the
Government's preferred option in the proposal before the
Committee. The
Association of British Insurers, whose members provide most personal
pensions in the UK and which has today had an excellent reception here,
said that the
package offers customers
the greatest protection, while maintaining wide
choice. The Association
of Investment Trust Companies said that the package will provide
maximum flexibility for future development of the sector over the long
term; at the same time, it will maintain the FSA's strong oversight of
pension provision. Barclays said:
Establishing a new
regulated activity directly related to personal pension schemes....will
ultimately benefit both consumers and the wider financial services
industry. That
overwhelming support was welcome but not surprising given the extensive
consultation undertaken in the latter part of last year.
The proposed changes will bring
all personal pension schemes under FSA consumer protection while
ensuring that that protection extends to different aspects of operating
a personal pension scheme, including administration. It will build on
the FSA's existing role of regulating stakeholder pension schemes,
provide transparency and improve consumer confidence.
As pension investments become
more diverse, an increasing range of pension investment activity would
otherwise fall outside the scope of FSA supervision. Without the
changes, there is a risk that consumer protection would be inadequate.
Given the importance of reliable personal pension schemes, it would not
be right to keep that aspect of personal pension operation outside
regulatory supervision. The FSA already regulates a number of financial
services bodies related to these issues, such as insurance companies,
which provide personal pension schemes. It is only right that all
personal pension operators should be regulated by the FSA. The proposal
will enable the FSA to open its doors to that activity this autumn so
that applicants can seek permission to carry out the new activity from
April 2007. That will give firms maximum time to prepare to become
registered. The FSA
and the Government have worked closely together to ensure a smooth
transition for firms to the new regime, including waiving FSA
application fees for existing personal pension providers. Eligibility
to establish a registered pension scheme that qualifies for tax
privileges will, from next April, be based on having permission from
the FSA to carry out this new activity. That element of the package
will require a legislative change to the Finance Act 2004 and one
change to the Pensions Schemes Act 1993. The legislative
changeabout which this is the first announcement of many over
the coming monthswill be made in the Finance Bill 2007, the
next guaranteed vehicle available, but will have effect from 6 April
2007 to coincide with the coming into effect of the new
activity. To keep
stakeholders fully updated on tax matters, we are today publishing on
the Treasury and HM Revenue and Customs websites more details of the
legislative timetable outlined in the Governments formal
response on making the necessary amendments.
A draft Finance Bill 2007 clause and explanatory note are also being
published today on those websites, which will enable maximum
consultation between now and next years Finance Bill. These
minor, technical changes are necessary to enable the order to have full
effect. They will be debated during discussions on next years
Finance Bill and will come into effect at the same time that the new
regime is
introduced. I should
like to reiterate the implications of not making these changes. If we
did not do so, the operation of personal pension schemesunless
they were stakeholder schemeswould remain largely outside the
scope of supervision. By making the changes to regulations, alongside
associated changes to the tax regime in next years Finance
Bill, we can implement the outcome of our consultation. I hope that
this measure will have cross-party
support. 2.37
pm Mr.
Mark Hoban (Fareham) (Con): I, too, welcome you to the
Chair this afternoon, Mr. Cummings. It is a pleasure to serve under
your chairmanship again. It is also a pleasure to be debating with the
Economic Secretaryafter less than a weeks
gapthe teaser that he has given us of what we might be
discussing in April, May and June
2007. I do not know
whether the Economic Secretary has with him the draft amendments and
changes on which he is consulting, but it is a pity that we did not
have them in advance of todays sitting to enable us to have a
more informed
debate.
Ed
Balls: I asked officials whether it would be appropriate
to circulate them to Committee members in advance, because I was happy
to do so, but was advised that they were minor and technical
changesĀ that would be debated in next years Finance Bill
and that it would be ruled out of order by the Chair for them to be
debated today because we are amending the FSMA, not the Finance Act. If
the hon. Gentleman takes any offence, I apologise
wholeheartedly, and he can have the documents to read tonight if that
makes him
happy.
Mr.
Hoban: I do not know whether, if I read them tonight, that
would be preparation after the event or advance preparation for next
years Finance
Bill. Why is there a
gap between A-day and the introduction of this regulation on personal
pension providers? What are we seeking to regulate? The consultation
paper talks about creating a level playing field and stimulating
competition. I should like to understand more clearly the
Governments view as to whether that would reduce the barriers
to entry to this market or erect new barriers to people who may wish to
engage in the business and start administering and providing
self-invested personal pensions and other forms of personal
pensions. A-day was
three months ago on 6 April. However, as this statutory instrument
makes it clear and as the Economic Secretary said, this provision will
not come into force until 6 April 2007. I am concerned about why there
is a gap. If there is a gap and the Government are happy for it to
exist, does that matter? Do we need this regulation? If it does matter,
why was it not introduced
earlier? If these are to be regulated activities after 6 April
2007, customers of the providers will benefit from, for instance, the
Financial Ombudsman Services mediation and the financial
services compensation scheme in the event of a failure. I am surprised
that the provision was not introduced earlier. What will happen if
there is a problem before 6 April 2007? Will the Government step in to
tackle any complaints or market failure? We need to be able to
understand what will happen between now and
2007. What is the FSA
seeking to regulate? I can understand that before the 2005 pre-Budget
report there was a need to regulate the market more carefully. At that
point, and when the original consultation document was published, there
were plans to enable pension schemes to invest in a wider range of
unregulated assets such as residential property, fine wines, antiques
and jewellery. The U-turn at the time of that pre-Budget report and the
provisions of the Finance Bill have removed such assets from the list
of items in which pension schemes can invest. The only principal asset
that can now be invested in and is not regulated by some other means is
commercial property. I am slightly perplexed as to what the FSA is
trying to regulate by extending regulation to pension
schemes. Where does
the provision sit in terms of freeing up the market? The consultation
document makes the point that the Government are seeking a level
playing field to enable more people to enter the market. The list of
people currently in it is set out in section 154 of the
Finance Act 2004, and it is a narrow list. The regulatory impact
assessment states that those not already regulated and able to offer
the service can use third parties to do so. If that route is available
for those unable to administer the products in question, why are we
regulating? Will there be an increased number of participants in the
market? Part of the aim behind the order is clearly to increase the
number of people who
qualify. The
regulatory impact assessment also indicates, at page 15, the cost of
becoming a regulated self-invested personal pension provider for the
first time. It
states: Information
from the SIPP industry suggests that a typical SIPP operator, new to
regulation, would face total costs associated with regulation of around
£100,000 in the first year, and £50,000 ongoing annual
costs thereafter. Those
seem steep costs for a new provider to budget for and recover from its
clients. By making the regulation, will we create another barrier to
entry into the
market? It is clear
from the responses to the consultation document that the vast majority
of respondents were those already in the market and regulated in some
shape or form, who wanted everyone to incur the same costs so that
there was a level playing field. That would perhaps act as a barrier to
entry for new providers. I am concerned about that.
I would be grateful if the
Minister could tackle the three issues that I have raised: why are we
waiting until April next year rather than bringing in the change now,
what are we seeking to regulate, and will the order genuinely free up
the market and increase competition? All hon. Members these days
believe that competition is a very good way to provide a better deal to
customers in financial
services.
2.44
pm Dr.
Vincent Cable (Twickenham) (LD): I do not have a great
deal to add to what the Conservative spokesman said. The wide context
is that all of us, particularly those who came into the House in 1997,
are conscious of the political importance of consumer protection in the
field of personal pensions. One of the first big acts of the Government
at the time was to launch a massive personal pension mis-selling
reviewI believe it was led by the lady who is now the high
commissioner to Australiawhich was enormously painful for the
people who had been mis-sold pensions, as well as for many individual
financial services providers. The background was that the Government
were rightly concerned about the potential for the mis-selling of
personal pension
products. It may be a
failing of understanding on my part, but I do not know why we have to
legislate at this time. My comments partly reflect what the
Conservative spokesman said about what exactly we are trying to
regulate. I was one of the people who suffered the long process of the
Financial Services and Markets Bill when it passed through Parliament
at interminable length. One of the purposes of the legislation, as I
remember it, was to bring personal as well as occupational pensions
within a consistent system of unitary, statutory
regulation. I do not
fully understand why we have to legislate again. Was the drafting at
the time imperfect or inaccurate, or has the market developed in such
sophisticated ways that we could not have foreseen that the order would
be necessary? It is not at all clear why we now need a new body of
statute to deal with the regulation of personal pensions, given that
overarching legislation is already in
place. My
next point also partly reflects what the Conservative spokesman said. I
always go straight to the regulatory impact assessment. The commentary
in the explanatory notes is a little breezy. It suggests that the costs
are not very large but that the potential benefits from competition
are. That may be true, but in the past when we have probed the costs of
regulation when legislation has been extended, as it recently was for
Muslim finance products and various forms of equity release
productsI am not criticising that desirable
legislationthe costs turned out to be substantial once the RIA
made them explicit. I sense it is possible that the costs of regulation
in this case could be significant, particularly on simpler products. It
would be useful if the Economic Secretary would spell out in a little
more detail the assessment that the Treasury has made of how much the
order will add to the cost of products at different levels of the
market. Subject to
those questions, I am sure that there will be all-party consensus that
the instrument should be
approved. 2.48
pm
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