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THURSDAY 25 NOVEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Norman Lamb
John Mann
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

Notice having been taken of the decision of the Sub-committee to travel to Prague and Budapest from 18–19 January 2005 in January 2005 in connection with its inquiry into Excise Duty Fraud;

Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visit.

Bank of England November 2004 Inflation Report: Professor David Miles, Professor Christopher Pissarides, Mrs Bridget Rosewell, and Professor Andrew Scott were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 30 November at 9.15am

TUESDAY 30 NOVEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr James Plaskitt
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

Bank of England November 2004 Inflation Report: Mr Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England, Ms Rachel Lomax, Deputy Governor Monetary Policy, Mr Charles Bean, Chief Economist, Professor Steve Nickell and Mr Richard Lambert, members of the Monetary Policy Committee, were examined.

[Adjourned till Thursday 9 December at 9.15am

THURSDAY 9 DECEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
John Mann
Mr James Plaskitt
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

The 2004 Pre-Budget Report: Mr Robert Chote, Institute for Fiscal Studies, Mr David Walton, Goldman Sachs, Mr Martin Weale, National Institute of Economic and Social Research, Mr John Whiting, PricewaterhouseCoopers and Professor Peter Spencer, University of York, were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 14 December at 9.15am

TUESDAY 14 DECEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Mr George Mudie
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

The 2004 Pre-Budget Report: Mr Jon Cunliffe, Managing Director, Macroeconomic Policy and International Finance, Mr Jonathan Stephens, Managing Director, Public Services, Mr Nick Holgate, Director of Welfare Reform, Mr Dave Ramsden, Director, Tax and Budget, and Mr Chris Martin, Head of the Productivity Team, HM Treasury, were examined.

[Adjourned till Thursday 16 December at 9.00am

THURSDAY 16 DECEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Norman Lamb
John Mann
Mr George Mudie
Mr James Plaskitt
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That the Sub-committee take oral evidence from the Chief Secretary to the Treasury on performance targets and monitoring.—(Mr Michael Fallon.)

The 2004 Pre-Budget Report: Rt Hon Gordon Brown, a Member of the House and Chancellor of the Exchequer, Mr Michael Ellam, Director Policy and Planning, Mr Nicholas Macpherson, Managing Director, Budget and Public Finances, HM Treasury were examined, Mr Jon Cunliffe, Managing Director, Macroeconomic Policy and International Finance, Mr Jonathan Stephens, Managing Director, Public Services, and Mr Dave Ramsden, Director, Tax and Budget, HM Treasury, were further examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 21 December at 9.15am

TUESDAY 21 DECEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
John Mann
Mr James Plaskitt
The Committee deliberated.

Cash machine charges: Mr Laurence Baxter, Senior Policy Adviser, Which?, Mr Philip Cullum, Deputy Chief Executive, National Consumer Council, Ms Teresa Perchard, Policy Director and Ms Jenny Hickson, Financial Literacy Worker, Citizens' Advice were examined

Cash machine charges: Mr John Hardy, Chief Executive and Mr Howard Aiken, Director LINK card scheme, LINK Interchange Network Ltd were examined.

[Adjourned till Monday 17 January at 4.00pm

MONDAY 17 JANUARY 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Norman Lamb
John Mann
Mr George Mudie
Mr James Plaskitt
The Committee deliberated.

Draft Report (The 2004 Pre-Budget Report), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraph 1 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 2 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 3 to 8 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 9 and 10 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 11 to 14 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 15 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 16 to 23 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 24 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraph 25 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 26 and 27 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 28 and 29 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 30 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 31 to 33 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 34 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 35 and 36 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 37 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 38 to 40 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 41 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraph 42 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 43 read, amended, divided and agreed to (now paragraphs 43 and 44).

Paragraph 44 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 45).

Paragraphs 45 and 46 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 46 and 47).

Paragraph 47 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 48).

Paragraphs 48 and 49 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 49 and 50).

Paragraph 50 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 51).

Paragraphs 51 to 56 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 52 to 57).

Paragraph 57 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 58).

Paragraphs 58 to 61 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 59 to 62).

Paragraph 62 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 63).

Paragraphs 63 and 64 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 64 and 65).

Paragraph 65 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 66).

Paragraphs 66 to 69 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 67 to 70).

Paragraph 70 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 71).

Paragraphs 71 to 74 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 72 to 75).

Paragraph 75 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 76).

Paragraphs 76 and 77 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 77 and 78).

Paragraph 78 and 79 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraphs 79 and 80).

Paragraph 80 read and agreed to (now paragraph 81).

Paragraph 81 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 82).

Paragraphs 82 to 91 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 83 to 92).

Paragraph 92 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 93).

Paragraph 93 read and agreed to (now paragraph 94).

Summary read, amended and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the First Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Several papers were ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 25 January at 9.15 am

TUESDAY 25 JANUARY 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
John Mann
Mr George Mudie
The Committee deliberated.

Draft Report (Credit card charges and marketing), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 8 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 9 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 10 to 14 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 15 read, divided and agreed to (now paragraphs 15 and 16).

Paragraphs 16 and 17 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 17 and 18).

Paragraph 18 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 19).

Paragraphs 19 to 21 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 20 to 22).

Paragraph 22 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 23).

Paragraphs 23 and 24 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 24 and 25).

Paragraph 25 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 26).

Paragraphs 26 to 33 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 27 to 34).

Paragraph 34 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 35).

Paragraphs 35 to 40 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 36 to 41).

Paragraph 41 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 42).

Paragraph 42 read and agreed to (now paragraph 43).

Paragraph 43 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 44).

Paragraphs 44 to 49 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 45 to 50).

Paragraph 50 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 51).

Paragraphs 51 to 53 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 52 to 54).

Paragraphs 54 and 55 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraphs 55 and 56).

Paragraph 56 read and agreed to (now paragraph 57).

Paragraph 57 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 58).

Paragraphs 58 and 59 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 59 and 60).

Paragraph 60 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 61).

Paragraph 61 read and agreed to (now paragraph 62).

Paragraphs—(John Mann)—brought up, read the first and second time, and inserted (now paragraphs 63 to 65).

Another paragraph—(John Mann)—brought up, read the first and second time, amended and inserted (now paragraph 66).

Paragraphs 62 to 64 read and agreed to (now paragraphs 67 to 69).

Paragraphs 65 and 66 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraphs 70 and 71).

Paragraph 67 read and agreed to (now paragraph 72).

Paragraph 68 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 73).

Other paragraphs—(John Mann)—brought up, read the first and second time, amended and inserted (now paragraphs 74 and 75).

Paragraph 69 read and agreed to (now paragraph 76).

Paragraph 70 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 77).

Paragraph 71 read and agreed to (now paragraph 78).

Paragraph 72 read, amended and agreed to (now paragraph 79).

Summary read, amended and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Second Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Several papers were ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 1 February at 9.15 am

TUESDAY 1 FEBRUARY 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr James Plaskitt
The Committee deliberated.

Cash machine charges: Mr Benny Higgins, Chief Executive, Retail Banking, Royal Bank of Scotland, and Mr James Crosby, Chief Executive, HBOS, were examined.

Cash machine charges: Mr Peter McNamara, Chairman, MoneyBox plc, Mr Ashley Dean, Managing Director, TRM, Mr Ron Delnevo, Managing Director, Bank Machine Ltd, and Mr Mark Mills, Group Chief Executive, Cardpoint plc, were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 8 February at 9.15am

TUESDAY 8 FEBRUARY 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
John Mann
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

The Impact of China on the world and UK economy: Mr Ray Barrell, NIESR, Dr Gerard Lyons, Chief Economist, Standard Chartered Bank, Mr Peter Nightingale, China Britain Business Council, and Dr Linda Yueh, Oxford University, were examined.

In the absence of the Chairman, Mr Michael Fallon was called to the Chair.

Mr John McFall resumed the Chair.

[Adjourned till Thursday 10 February at 9.00am

THURSDAY 10 FEBRUARY 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
John Mann
Mr James Plaskitt
The Committee deliberated.

Draft Report (Work of the Treasury Committee in 2004), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 19 read and agreed to.

Annexes 1 to 3 agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Third Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Several memoranda [Work of the Committee in 2004] were ordered to be reported to the House.

Several memoranda [Long-term savings] were ordered to be reported to the House.

Resolved, That the Committee do inquire into the 2005 Budget.—(The Chairman.)

Cash machine charges: Mr Stuart Bernau, Executive Director, Nationwide Building Society was examined.

Cash machine charges: Sir Mike Hodgkinson, Chairman, Mr Dave Miller, Chief Operating Officer, and Mr Graham Halliday CBE, Director of Banking and Financial Services, Post Office Ltd were examined.

Cash machine charges: Mr Stephen Timms a Member of the House and Financial Secretary, HM Treasury was examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 9 March at the conclusion of the meeting of the
Sub-committee

WEDNESDAY 9 MARCH 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Norman Lamb
John Mann
Mr George Mudie
Mr James Plaskitt
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

Draft Report from the Sub-committee (Excise Duty Fraud), brought up and read.

Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 79 read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Fourth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-committee be reported to the House.—(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till Tuesday 15 March at 9.15am

TUESDAY 15 MARCH 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
John Mann
Mr George Mudie
Mr James Plaskitt
The Committee deliberated.

Resolved, That a member of the Committee staff do visit Brussels on 4–5 April, in a representative capacity, to attend the European Parliament's joint meeting with national parliaments on the 2007–2013 Financial Perspective.—(The Chairman)

Resolved, That a member of the Committee staff do visit Brussels on 25 April, in a representative capacity, to attend the European Parliament's joint meeting with national parliaments on European economic policy.—(The Chairman)

Ordered, That the Chairman do seek the approval of the Liaison Committee for expenditure in connection with the said visits.

Draft Report (Cash machine charges), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 and 2 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 3 and 4 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 5 to 7 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 8 to 13 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 14 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 15 and 16 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 17 and 18 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 19 and 20 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 21 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 22 to 31 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 32 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 33 to 54 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 55 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraph 56 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 57 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 58 to 63 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 64 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 65 to 69 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 70 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 71 and 72 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 73 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 74 to 77 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 78 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraph 79 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 80 and 81 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 82 to 84 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 85 and 86 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 87 to 89 read and agreed to.

Paragraphs 90 and 91 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 92 to 94 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 95 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 96 to 99 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 100 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 101 to 114 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 115 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 116 to 132 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 133 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 134 to 137 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 138 read, amended and agreed to.

Paragraphs 139 to 140 read and agreed to.

Paragraph 141 read, amended and agreed to.

Summary read, amended and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Fifth Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Several papers were ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee be reported to the House.

Several papers were ordered to be reported to the House.

Ordered, That the provisions of Standing Order No. 134 (Select committees (reports)) be applied to the Report.

[Adjourned till Monday 21 March at 3.00pm

MONDAY 21 MARCH 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Norman Lamb
John Mann
Mr George Mudie
Mr James Plaskitt
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

Draft Special Report, proposed by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the First Special Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That the Government's response to the Committee's First Report from the Committee [The 2004 Pre–Budget Report] be appended to the Report.—(The Chairman.)

The 2005 Budget: Mr Robert Chote, Institute of Fiscal Studies, Mr David Walton, Goldman Sachs, Mr Martin Weale, National Institute of Economic and Social Research, Mr John Whiting, PricewaterhouseCoopers and Professor Peter Spencer, University of York, were examined

The 2005 Budget: Mr Jon Cunliffe, Managing Director, Macroeconomic Policy and International Finance, Mr Dave Ramsden, Director, Tax and Budget, Mr Tony Orhnial, Director, Personal Tax and Welfare Reform, Ms Sarah Mullen, Director, Public Spending and Mr John Kingman, Director, Enterprise and Growth Unit, HM Treasury, were examined.

[Adjourned till Tuesday 22 March at 8.45am

TUESDAY 22 MARCH 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Norman Lamb
John Mann
Mr George Mudie
Mr James Plaskitt
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

The 2005 Budget: Rt Hon Gordon Brown, a Member of the House and Chancellor of the Exchequer and Mr Michael Ellam, Director Policy and Planning, HM Treasury, were examined; Mr Jon Cunliffe, Managing Director, Macroeconomic Policy and International Finance, Mr Dave Ramsden, Director, Tax and Budget, Ms Sarah Mullen, Director, Public Spending and Mr John Kingman, Director, Enterprise and Growth Unit, HM Treasury were further examined.

[Adjourned till Thursday 24 March at 9.15am

THURSDAY 24 MARCH 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
Mr Michael Fallon
John Mann
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee [Regional Productivity] be reported to the House.

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Committee on 8th February 2005 [Impact of China on the world and UK economy] be reported to the House.

Several memoranda [HM Treasury winter and spring supplementary estimates 2004–05] were ordered to be reported to the House.

Bank of England February 2005 Inflation Report: Mr Mervyn King, Governor of the Bank of England, Mr Paul Tucker, Executive Director Markets, Ms Marian Bell, Professor Steve Nickell and Mr Richard Lambert, members of the Monetary Policy Committee, were examined.

[Adjourned till a day and time to be fixed by the Chairman

TUESDAY 5 APRIL 2005

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Angela Eagle
John Mann
Mr James Plaskitt
The Committee deliberated.

Draft Special Report, proposed by the Chairman, brought up, read the first and second time, and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the Second Special Report of the Committee to the House.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.

Ordered, That responses to the Committee's Second Report from the Committee [Credit card charges and marketing] be appended to the Report.—(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned till a day and time to be fixed by the Chairman

Proceedings of the Sub-committee

WEDNESDAY 8 DECEMBER 2004

Members present:

Mr John McFall, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Norman Lamb
Mr Robert Walter
The Committee deliberated.

In the absence of the Chairman, Mr John McFall was called to the Chair.

The Sub-committee deliberated.

Resolved, that the Sub-committee would visit Scotland on Monday 31 January in connection with their inquiry into Excise Duty Fraud.

Excise Duty Fraud: Mr David Long, Director Brewing and Mr Peter Scully, the British Beer and Pub Association, and Mr Ian Good, Chairman, Mr Gavin Hewitt, Chief Executive, and Mr Ian Shearer, Director of Operations and Technical Affairs, the Scotch Whisky Association, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 12 January at 2.15 pm.

WEDNESDAY 12 JANUARY 2005

Members present:

Mr Michael Fallon, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Norman Lamb
Mr John McFall
Mr George Mudie
Mr Robert Walter
The Sub-committee deliberated.

Excise duty fraud: Mr Ben Stevens, Regional Director Europe, British American Tobacco plc, Mr Nigel Northridge, Chief Executive, Gallaher Group plc, Mr Gareth Davis, Chief Executive, Imperial Tobacco Group plc, and Mr David Davies, Senior Vice President Corporate Affairs, Philip Morris International, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 2 February at 5.30 pm

WEDNESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 2005

Members present:

Mr Michael Fallon, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Norman Lamb
Mr John McFall
Mr James Plaskitt
Mr Robert Walter
The Sub-committee deliberated.

Excise duty fraud: Mr John Healey a Member of the House, Economic Secretary, HM Treasury, and Mr Paul Gerrard, Acting Head of Indirect Tax Fraud Strategy, HM Customs & Excise were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 9 February at 2.15 pm

WEDNESDAY 9 FEBRUARY 2005

Members present:

Mr Michael Fallon, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Norman Lamb
Mr John McFall
Mr James Plaskitt
The Sub-committee deliberated.

Performance Targets and Monitoring: Rt Hon Paul Boateng a Member of the House, Chief Secretary, Mr Gus O'Donnell CB, Permanent Secretary, Ms Mary Keegan, Finance Director, and Ms Sarah Mullen, Director, Public Services Directorate, HM Treasury, were examined.

[Adjourned till Wednesday 9 March at 2.15 pm.

WEDNESDAY 9 MARCH 2005

Members present:

Mr Michael Fallon, in the Chair

Mr Nigel Beard
Mr Jim Cousins
Angela Eagle
Mr David Heathcoat-Amory
Norman Lamb
Mr John McFall
John Mann
Mr James Plaskitt
Mr Robert Walter
The Sub-committee deliberated.

Draft Report (Excise Duty Fraud), proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.

Ordered, That the Chairman's draft Report be read a second time, paragraph by paragraph.

Paragraphs 1 to 79 read and agreed to.

Resolved, That the Report be the First Report of the Sub-committee to the Committee.

Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the Committee.

Several papers were ordered to be appended to the Minutes of Evidence

Ordered, That the Appendices to the Minutes of Evidence taken before the Sub-committee be reported to the Committee.—(The Chairman.)

[Adjourned to a day and time to be fixed by the Chairman

 
 
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