PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMITTEE RELATING
TO THE REPORT
TUESDAY 2 FEBRUARY 1999
[AFTERNOON SITTING]
Members present:
Mr Donald Anderson, in the Chair
| Ms Diane Abbott | Mr Ernie Ross
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| Sir Peter Emery | Mr Ted Rowlands
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| Mr Norman A Godman |
Sir John Stanley |
| Mr David Heath | Mr David Wilshire
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| Mr Eric Illsley | Mr Shaun Woodward
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| Mr Andrew Mackinlay |
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Consideration of the Chairman's draft Report resumed.
Postponed Paragraph 6 again read, amended and agreed
to.
Postponed Paragraph 24 again read, amended and agreed
to.
Paragraph 41 read, as follows:
Mr Penfold was criticised
by Legg for giving a "degree of approval" to Sandline's
illegal plan to send a shipment of arms to Sierra Leone "which
he had no authority to do." Legg also believed, however,
that the High Commissioner did not know that the shipment would
be illegal. Whereas the first part of this conclusion was accepted
by FCO witnesses, they appeared to have more difficulty with the
second part. We will examine in turn whether Mr Penfold should
have known that arms supplies were illegal; whether his dealings
with Mr Spicer were appropriate; whether he discharged his obligation
to the FCO accurately to report on his dealings, and whether he
was operating outside government policyor "freelancing"
as it was described by one of our witnesses.
Amendment proposed, in line 3, after the word "do."
to insert words " We can find no evidence of this."(Sir
Peter Emery.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided
| Ayes, 3 | Noes, 5
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| Sir Peter Emery | Ms Diane Abbott
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr David Heath
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| Mr Shaun Woodward | Mr Eric Illsley
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| Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr Ted Rowlands
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Question put, That the paragraph stand part of the
Report.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 5 | Noes, 1
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| Ms Diane Abbott | Sir Peter Emery
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| Mr David Heath |
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| Mr Eric Illsley |
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| Mr Ernie Ross |
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| Mr Ted Rowlands |
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Paragraph 42 read, as follows:
Mr Penfold claimed that,
when meeting Sandline in December 1997, he was not aware that
what they were contemplating was illegal. The Foreign Secretary
shared Legg's view that Mr Penfold could have done more to acquaint
himself with the true state of the law. Sir John Kerr found it
"very surprising" that Mr Penfold was able to claim
that he did not know that it was illegal to send arms to President
Kabbah, "particularly as, during the period when the Security
Council Resolution was being drafted and negotiated and the Order
in Council was being drafted and submitted and approved, [Mr Penfold]
was in London." His argument rested on the persuasive ground
that a Head of Mission has a duty to understand thoroughly government
policy as it affects the country to which he is accredited ("he
should have made it his business to find out"), though he
did concede that "it was also the responsibility of the Department
to make sure he came across all [relevant] information."
Amendments made.
Another Amendment proposed, in line 9, to leave out
the word "persuasive."(Mr David Wilshire.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 4 | Noes, 5
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| Sir Peter Emery | Ms Diane Abbott
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| Sir John Stanley | Mr David Heath
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr Eric Illsley
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| Mr Shaun Woodward | Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr Ted Rowlands
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Another Amendment made.
Paragraph, as amended, agreed to.
Paragraph 43 read, amended and agreed to.
Paragraph 44 read, as follows:
The cavalier attitude shown
by the FCO in not making sure that the Order in Council was brought
to Mr Penfold's attention is inexcusable. Mr Penfold's failure
to ascertain government policy towards arms sales to Sierra Leone
is also unacceptable. We note that Mr Penfold knew that Ministers'
policy was that the problems of Sierra Leone should be resolved
by peaceful means. He was obviously also aware that arms supplies
to Nigeria (and ECOMOG were a largely Nigerian force) were embargoed
both by the EU and Commonwealth. From these facts alone he should
have deduced that British policy would have been to prevent all
arms sales to Sierra Leone. We conclude by expressing our surprise
at Mr Penfold's ignorance and his lack of due diligence in ascertaining
the true legal position on arms supplies to Sierra Leone, and
our equal surprise that the staff of AD(E) were not themselves
clear on this matter and did not keep Mr Penfold informed.
Amendment proposed, in line 1, to leave out from
beginning of line 1 to second "Mr" in line 2 and to
insert "The FCO's practice of not circulating Orders in Council
but relying instead on UN Resolutions is inexcusable. Such a practice
signalled to every affected Ambassador or High Commissioner that
there was no need to acquaint themselves with an Order in Council".(Mr
David Wilshire.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 4 | Noes, 5
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| Sir Peter Emery | Ms Diane Abbott
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| Sir John Stanley | Mr David Heath
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr Eric Illsley
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| Mr Shaun Woodward | Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr Ted Rowlands
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Another Amendment proposed, in line 2, after the
word "inexcusable" to insert the words:
"Equally so, was the failure of FCO officials
in London to tell Mr Penfold that his interpretation of the legal
ambit of the arms embargo was incorrect even after this had become
patently apparent from his minute of 2 February. We recommend
that clear instructions are issued to FCO officials in London
that it is their responsibility to inform the relevant overseas
post immediately if there is any evidence of its staff misunderstanding
the terms of a UK arms embargo."(Sir John Stanley.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 5 | Noes, 4
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| Sir Peter Emery | Ms Diane Abbott
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| Mr David Heath | Mr Eric Illsley
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| Sir John Stanley | Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr Ted Rowlands
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| Mr Shaun Woodward |
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Another Amendment proposed, in line 2, to leave out
from the word "inexcusable" to the end of the paragraph
and to insert the words:
"Mr Penfold's understanding
that the British Government's arms embargo policy was an embargo
on arms supplies to the Junta was consistent with every document
he received from the FCOwith the internal telegram to posts
of October 9, with the FCO's daily bulletins of October 9 and
January 9, with the CHOGM communique of October 27 and with the
FCO's letter of January 9 to the Foreign Minister of the Government
of Sierra Leone. All these documents are referred to in paragraph
16 above. At no time was Mr Penfold given any indication whatever
by the FCO in London that his interpretation was incorrect. Moreover,
reprehensibly, the FCO never informed him that the arms embargo
applied to the actual Government to which he was accredited -
namely the democratically elected Sierra Leone government in exile.
Against this background we conclude that the Legg report's
criticism of Mr Penfoldendorsed by the Foreign Secretary-
that he should have taken steps to inform himself more fully about
the scope of the arms embargo was unjust and unreasonable.
When the Permanent Secretary, Sir John Kerr, was
asked whether he accepted "that the first and overriding
duty to inform Ambassadors and High Commissioners as to the legal
ambit of arms sanctions orders lies, first and inescapably with
officials in London", he replied "I entirely agree ¼¼.
That is exactly right."[FN: Q1827.] We consider that it was
a duty that FCO officials in London signally failed to discharge
towards Mr Penfold."(Sir
John Stanley.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 4 | Noes, 5
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| Sir Peter Emery | Ms Diane Abbott
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| Sir John Stanley | Mr David Heath
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr Eric Illsley
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| Mr Shaun Woodward | Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr Ted Rowlands
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Other Amendments made.
Another Amendment proposed, in line 13, to leave
out the words "were not themselves clear on this matter and."(Mr
Ernie Ross.)
Question, That the Amendment be made, put and negatived.
Paragraph, as amended, agreed to.
Paragraph 45 read, as follows:
Mr Penfold characterised
his relationship with Sandline as typical of the sort of relationship
he had with other British companies wishing to do business with
Sierra Leone. His initial introduction to the nexus of companies
of which Sandline was a part was when he called upon Branch Energy
at the suggestion of the FCO before he took up his appointment
as High Commissioner. While in Conakry, Mr Penfold had some dealings
with Mr Rupert Bowen and a Brigadier Sachse, both associates of
Sandline. He was present at an official meeting in London on 3
December 1997 when intelligence that Executive Outcomes (another
associated company) was supplying arms to Sierra Leone was discussed.
Subsequently, he met President Kabbah on 19 December and was shown
a draft contract involving Sandline which he surmised was for
the supply of arms. It is disputed whether or not he advised President
Kabbah to sign this contract. Mr Penfold says that he did not,
and points out that President Kabbah himself corroborated this.
However, he agrees that he did not discourage President Kabbah
from signing. Mr Spicer told us of a conversation with Mr Penfold
in which the High Commissioner told him that he had suggested
to President Kabbah that "Sandline might be a suitable company."
Mr Murray claims that Mr Penfold told him that he had advised
President Kabbah to "take on Sandline." Subsequently,
Mr Penfold was telephoned at home by Mr Spicer on 21 December;
lunched with him on 23 December; again telephoned by him after
Christmas; spoke to him from New York by telephone in mid-January,
and again went to his offices on 28 January. In all of these later
discussions and meetings, the existence of the contract between
Sandline and the Kabbah government was known.
Amendments made.
Another Amendment proposed, in line 20, after the
word "Sandline" to insert the words "What these
words may or may not mean must be open to speculation."(Sir
Peter Emery.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 4 | Noes, 6
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| Sir Peter Emery | Ms Diane Abbott
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| Sir John Stanley | Mr David Heath
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr Eric Illsley
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| Mr Shaun Woodward | Mr Andrew Mackinlay
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| Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr Ted Rowlands
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Paragraph, as amended, agreed to.
Paragraph 46 read, as follows:
We believe that Mr Penfold
showed a certain lack of caution in his dealings with Sandline.
Mr Penfold accepted that Mr Spicer and his colleagues "may
have taken it that I was giving the nod," though he argued
that this was an incorrect inference on their part: "I firmly
refute that," he told us. By accepting their hospitality
or by meeting them in their offices unaccompanied by other officials,
Mr Penfold left himself open to accusations of encouraging Sandline.
We believe that it would be reasonable to conclude that Mr Spicer
had the tacit approval of the British Government from Mr Penfold
for his deal with President Kabbah. We agree with the Foreign
Secretary that this was "regrettable" and should not
have happened."
Amendment proposed, in line 1, to leave out from
the beginning of the line to the first word "Mr" in
line 2.(Sir Peter Emery.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 2 | Noes, 6
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| Sir Peter Emery | Ms Diane Abbott
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr David Heath
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| Mr Eric Illsley
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| Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr Ted Rowlands
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| Mr Shaun Woodward
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Other Amendments made.
Paragraph, as amended, agreed to.
Paragraph 47 read, as follows:
What is somewhat puzzling
is that there was no clear policy laid down about dealings with
Sandline for officials in the Africa Command. Mr Lloyd told us
in no uncertain terms that there were no circumstances in which
the Government dealt with mercenaries, and Ms Grant was well aware
of the suspect nature of Mr Spicer's business. He had asked to
see her soon after she took over as Head of Department in August
1996, but she had refused the meeting because she did not want
him to be able to say that he had a friend in high places in the
FCO. She had given a "very strong steer....that you dealt
with Sandline with a very long spoon." Mr Murray's predecessor,
Mr Everard, while he had held regular telephone conversations
with Mr Spicer and met representatives of Branch Energy at the
FCO on 10 December 1997, had also been uncomfortable in his dealings
with Sandline. Mr Penfold, however, received no guidelines or
briefing for his dealings with Sandline. Many of the problems
which occurred would not have done so if Ms Grant had acted on
her suspicions and instructed those who answered to her (including
Mr Penfold and Mr Murray) to follow her example, and if Ministers
had made their policy on dealings with mercenaries clearer to
officials. We conclude that Mr Penfold's relations with Sandline
were open to criticism.
Amendment proposed, in line 18, to leave out from
the word "officials" to the end of the paragraph and
to insert the words-
"We conclude that
Mr Penfold was unwise to see Sandline on his own, thereby exposing
himself to Sandline's claim that he had given tacit approval to
their arms sales contract, a claim that Mr Penfold strongly denied.
As Mr Penfold told the Committee: "At no time did I give
them [Sandline] any understanding that they would be given authority
for what they were doing. I made it quite clear to Spicer that
I was not in a position to give authority for what they were doing,
all I could give was opinions and so on."[FN: Q1169.] Incautious
as Mr Penfold's discussions with Sandline were, they yielded a
document that should have been seen to be of key significance
when it was given to the FCO by Mr Penfold on January 29, the
day after he received it from Sandline. This document was Sandline's
strategy paper outlining what they termed Project Pythontheir
planned military operations in Sierra Leone. It should have been
abundantly clear from this document, even to civilian FCO officials,
that Sandline's planned activities in Sierra Leone were certainly
contrary to British Government policy and likely to be in breach
of UK law. Regrettably those officials who saw the Sandline document
that Mr Penfold had promptly passed to the FCO failed totally
to appreciate its importance.(Sir
John Stanley.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 4 | Noes, 4
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| Sir Peter Emery | Ms Diane Abbott
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| Sir John Stanley | Mr Eric Illsley
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr Shaun Woodward | Mr Ted Rowlands
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Whereupon the Chairman declared himself with the
Noes.
Another Amendment proposed, in line 18, to leave
out the word "We" and to insert the word "Some."(Sir
Peter Emery.)
Question, That the Amendment be made, put and negatived.
Another Amendment proposed, in line 19, after the
word "criticism" to insert the words "mainly
because he was inadequately advised by the FCO."(Mr
David Wilshire.)
Question put, That the Amendment be made.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes, 4 | Noes, 5
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| Sir Peter Emery | Mr David Heath
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| Sir John Stanley | Mr Eric Illsley
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| Mr David Wilshire | Mr Andrew Mackinlay
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| Mr Shaun Woodward | Mr Ernie Ross
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| Mr Ted Rowlands
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Paragraph agreed to.
Paragraph 48 read, as follows:
Mr Penfold accepts that he
had surmised that arms were to be supplied by Sandline to President
Kabbah after his discussions with the President on December 19
and this was corroborated by his lunch with Mr Spicer on December
23. He did not, however, properly report this information to the
FCO. He himself accepts that his briefing ought to have gone further.
He told us that he "did not have the opportunity to make
a written report" of the 19 December meeting, although he
accepted that it was an important meeting, and there are disputes
about whether he made an adequate oral report or any at all when
he went into the FCO on 23 December before lunching with Mr Spicer.
For example, he agrees that he did not draw the attention of the
relatively junior officials he met to the fact that he believed
that the contract was an arms contract, while they have no recollection
of any mention of a contract between Sandline and President Kabbah.
Mr Penfold said he was at a loss as to why officials in London
had not reacted appropriately to the momentous newswhat
Sir John Kerr called the "bombshells"he had brought.
Sir John told us that he did not know whether or not the meeting
on 23 December had taken place, but he was clear that it was part
of Mr Penfold's professional duty to produce a written report
of the meeting with President Kabbah on 19 December.
Amendments made.
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