PROCEEDINGS OF THE COMMITTEE RELATING
TO THE REPORT
TUESDAY 13 JANUARY 1998
Members present
Mr Peter L. Pike, in the Chair
| Mr Iain Coleman | Mr Denis Murphy
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| Mrs Jacqui Lait | Mr John Randall
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| Mr David Lock | Mr Anthony Steen
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| Mr Gordon Marsden | |
The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 20 January at Ten o'clock.
TUESDAY 20 JANUARY 1998
Members present:
Mr Peter L. Pike, in the Chair
| Mr David Chaytor | Mr David Lock
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| Mr Brian Cotter | Mr Gordon Marsden
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| Mr John Cryer | Mr Denis Murphy
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| Mr Stephen Hesford | Mr John Randall
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| Mrs Jacqui Lait | Geraldine Smith
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| Mr Ivan Lewis | Mr Ian Stewart
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The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 27 January at Ten o'clock.
TUESDAY 27 JANUARY 1998
Members present:
Mr Peter L Pike, in the Chair
| Mrs Jacqui Lait | Mr Denis Murphy
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| Mr Ivan Lewis | Mr John Randall
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| Mr David Lock | Mr Ian Stewart
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| Mr Stephen McCabe | |
The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 3 February at Ten o'clock.
TUESDAY 3 FEBRUARY 1998
Members present:
Mr Peter L Pike, in the Chair
| Mr David Chaytor | Mr Stephen McCabe
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| Mr John Cryer | Mr Gordon Marsden
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| Mr Stephen Hesford | Mr Anthony Steen
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| Mrs Jacqui Lait | Mr Ian Stewart
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| Mr David Lock | |
The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 17 February at Ten o'clock.
TUESDAY 17 FEBRUARY 1998
Members present:
Mr Peter L Pike, in the Chair
| Mr Iain Coleman | Mr Gordon Marsden
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| Mr John Cryer | Mr Denis Murphy
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| Mrs Jacqui Lait | Mr John Randall
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| Mr David Lock | Geraldine Smith
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| Mr Stephen McCabe | |
The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 24 February at Ten o'clock.
TUESDAY 24 FEBRUARY 1998
Members present:
Mr Peter L. Pike, in the Chair
| Mr David Chaytor | Mr David Lock
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| Mr John Cryer | Mr Stephen McCabe
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| Mr Stephen Hesford | Mr Gordon Marsden
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| Mrs Jacqui Lait | Mr John Randall
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| Mr Oliver Letwin | Geraldine Smith
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| Mr Ivan Lewis | Mr Ian Stewart
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The Committee deliberated.
[Adjourned till Tuesday 3 March at Ten o'clock.
TUESDAY 3 MARCH 1998
Members present:
Mr Peter L. Pike, in the Chair
| Mr Brian Cotter | Mr Gordon Marsden
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| Mr John Cryer | Mr Denis Murphy
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| Mrs Jacqui Lait | Mr John Randall
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| Mr Oliver Letwin | Mr William Ross
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| Mr Ivan Lewis | Geraldine Smith
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| Mr David Lock | Mr Ian Stewart
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The Committee deliberated.
Draft Report, proposed by the Chairman, brought up and read.
Ordered, That the draft Report be read a second time, paragraph
by paragraph.- (The Chairman.)
Paragraphs 1 to 8 read and agreed to.
Paragraphs 9 to 16 read.
Motion made, to leave out paragraphs 9 to 16 and insert the following
new paragraphs:
"Transitional arrangements
9. Under the proposed Order, those workers who currently pay
their union subscriptions by check off will no longer need to
re-authorise continuing deductions on an indefinite basis. Instead,
it is proposed that employers issue a prescribed notice[43]
to all affected workers to inform them that authorisations for
payments will be treated as being for an indefinite period and
that increases in the amount payable will be allowed without prior
notice. These conditions will be taken to have been accepted
unless the notice is signed and returned by the worker within
14 days, in which case (as the prescribed notice specifies) authorisation
of payments will continue to be limited to a three year period
and the requirement for advance notice of any increase in deductions
will be retained.
10. We asked the Department whether the provision to allow
individuals to opt to retain both the existing limit of three
years on authorisations and the requirement for advance notification
of increases would create a dual system, causing confusion and
disproportionately reducing any prospective administrative and
financial savings.[44]
This point was also made by the TUC.[45]
The Department conceded that the transitional arrangements would
create two categories of workers operating check off - those who
wished to have their current authorisations treated as indefinite
and those who did not.[46]
However, it reported that very few workers were expected to opt
to retain the old requirements and also that the authorisations
of those workers who did opt to retain the old requirements would
be limited to, at most, a further three years. After that time,
the employer would be free to make it a condition of any subsequent
authorisation that it be for an indefinite period and that notification
of increases in deductions need not be given by the employer.
Therefore, in no more than three years, the employer would be
in a position to insist that all check off authorisations were
indefinite. Any inconvenience caused by a dual system would be
extremely limited. We agree with the Department that it is "right
and proper" to give workers the option to retain the terms
of their existing authorisations,[47]
and believe that it is appropriate that the proposal provides
for workers to be informed of the change in legislation.
11. We also expressed concern that the prescribed notice to
be sent to workers under the transitional arrangements was excessively
complicated.[48] We
invited the Department to comment on a simplified draft of the
notice[49] which they
agreed to adopt with minor modifications.[50]
We are grateful to the Department for undertaking to amend the
prescribed notice to make it less confusing.
12. A number of respondents to the consultation document,
including Rowley Ashworth Solicitors and the TUC, argued that
the proposed transitional arrangements were unnecessary. The
TUC argued that no existing authorisation forms referred to a
three year limit and authorisations given by workers should be
regarded as being intended for an indefinite period.[51]
They believed that repealing the existing requirement would simply
lead to all existing authorisations becoming indefinitely valid.
They provided us with a selection of texts from current authorisation
forms used by some of their larger affiliated unions, none of
which made reference to any three year limit. Rowley Ashworth
Solicitors also noted that they were not aware of any authorisations
that had been confined to a limited period.[52]
They too argued that if the requirement for re-authorisation every
three years were to be removed, then authorisations should be
seen to be indefinite.
13. The Department acknowledges that few, if any, of the authorisations
given since the 1992 Act came into force explicitly limit authorisations
to three years, but it believes that in many cases employers have
not retained copies of the authorisations and the exact text is
not known.[53] It also
takes the view that at least some of the authorisations given
under the requirements of section 68 of the 1992 Act could be
argued to be subject to an implied limit of three years because
they were given under legislation that specified a three year
limit on their duration.[54]
Workers who gave their authorisation in the light of that legislation
can not be assumed to have authorised more than the law allowed
at the time. The Department is concerned to avoid the possibility
of a worker seeking to establish, some period after the proposed
Order comes into effect, that his or her authorisation should
have been limited to a three year period and claiming that all
subsequent deductions were therefore unauthorised. The employer
would then be liable to pay back all the relevant contributions.
The Department believes that the proposed transitional arrangements
would avoid this possibility and are therefore justified.
14. Although they believed the transitional arrangements to
be unnecessary, Rowley Ashworth Solicitors recommended an alternative
form.[55] They suggested
that existing authorisations should expire after three years unless,
before that time, the worker concerned received a notice that
check off arrangements would continue indefinitely and that prior
notice of increases in deductions would not be given. This suggested
system would not give workers the option of retaining the three
year limit on their authorisation; the authorisation would be
indefinite unless the worker concerned instructed the employer
to terminate deductions. The Department argued that employees
who wished to continue the effect of existing authorisations should
be allowed to do so.[56]
We accept this argument, and we believe that the proposed transitional
arrangements are necessary to remove legal doubt."-
(Mrs Jacqui Lait.)
Motion made, and Question put, That the paragraphs be read a second
time.
The Committee divided.
| Ayes | Noes |
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| Mrs Jacqui Lait | Mr Brian Cotter
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| Mr Oliver Letwin | Mr John Cryer
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| Mr John Randall | Mr Ivan Lewis
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| Mr David Lock |
| Mr Gordon Marsden |
| Mr Denis Murphy |
| Geraldine Smith |
| Mr Ian Stewart |
Paragraphs 9 to 16 agreed to.
Paragraphs 17 to 30 read and agreed to.
Several papers were ordered to be appended to the Report.
Resolved, That the Report be the Third Report of the Committee
to the House.
Ordered, That the Chairman do make the Report to the House.
43 The
original form of notice is laid out in the Schedule to the draft
Deregulation (Deduction from Pay of Union Subscriptions) Order
1998 in the Explanatory Memorandum. A revised form, drawn up
in response to our suggestions, is printed at Evidence, page xl.
See also paragraph 12. Back
44 Evidence,
page xxi. Back
45 Evidence,
page xxxix. Back
46 Evidence,
page xxiii. Back
47 Evidence,
page xxxix. Back
48 Evidence,
page xxi. Back
49 Evidence,
page xxxvi. Back
50 The
re-draft of the prescribed notice is printed at Evidence, page
xl. The Department have agreed to make an additional minor amendment;
to leave out "is no longer required to" in line 4, and
insert instead "need not". Back
51 Evidence,
page xxviii. Back
52 Evidence,
page xix. Back
53 Evidence,
page xxxvii. Back
54 Evidence,
page xxii. Back
55 Evidence,
page xix. Back
56 Evidence,
page xxxvii. Back
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